Wierd Hand

TheHammer24 · #1 12-30-2005, 03:26 PM

Do you really thinkg SB is 3-Betting this pf w.o JJ-AA with those stats? I capped pf to take control of the hand in position. On the flop, a 3-bet puts a lot of bets in there when I'm likely behind of SB. If he caps it sucks. Anyway, I haven't played in like 2 weeks, so my game is off. I lost 25 BB's last night, which isn't out of the ordinary, but I would have like a decent winning session.

crunchy1 · #2 12-30-2005, 03:40 PM

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Do you really thinkg SB is 3-Betting this pf w.o JJ-AA with those stats?

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Top 5% of hands would be something like 99+, AJs+, KQs, AKo. You've got decent equity against this range. Note that his PFR matches his VP$IP - this leads me to believe one of two things: 1) He's raising almost every time he enters a pot (which means ALL the hands I mentioned above) 2) your read isn't very good. I think you're a decent poster - but I'm more inclined to believe #2. I can't ever recall seeing a 5% VP$IP player in several hundred thousand hands.

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I capped pf to take control of the hand in position. On the flop, a 3-bet puts a lot of bets in there when I'm likely behind of SB.

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Then why not fold the flop. If you're sure your behind - you don't have odds to continue. Fold. Otherwise.... raise that [censored] up. You've got plenty of equity against a reasonable SB range and the donkey.

#3 12-30-2005, 03:48 PM

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Top 5% of hands would be something like 99+, AJs+, KQs, AKo. You've got decent equity against this range.

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He's 5% preflop raise, not 5% preflop 3bet.

crunchy1 · #4 12-30-2005, 03:58 PM

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Top 5% of hands would be something like 99+, AJs+, KQs, AKo. You've got decent equity against this range.

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He's 5% preflop raise, not 5% preflop 3bet.

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He's also a 5% VP$IP... If he's playing 5% of his hands and also raising 5% of his hands he's raising every hand he enters the pot with. I understand that the 3-bet means more than a raise. In this case however, I think you're looking at a wider range than QQ-AA. The presence of the idiot in the pot certainly gives us enough equity to push our hand a bit. If we 3-bet the flop and SB folds and two cards bigger than a jack we've done something good.

If there was another read to suggest that we are, in fact, only looking at QQ-AA here then we shouldn't be capping PF or putting any bets in after the flop without a set.

thejameser · #5 12-30-2005, 03:59 PM

if he is raising everytime he would be 5/100

crunchy1 · #6 12-30-2005, 04:02 PM

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if he is raising everytime he would be 5/100

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That's not the way that I understand PT calculates PFR. Perhaps I'm incorrect.

EDIT: Can the OP provide the # of hands, AF, WSD% and W$SD%... I'm just curious.

TheHammer24 · #7 12-31-2005, 01:17 AM

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if he is raising everytime he would be 5/100

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That's incorrect. If he's raising every hand he VP$IP it would be 5/5 20/20 100/100 etc. PFR can never be greater than VPIP

crunchy1 · #8 12-31-2005, 04:06 AM

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if he is raising everytime he would be 5/100

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That's incorrect. If he's raising every hand he VP$IP it would be 5/5 20/20 100/100 etc. PFR can never be greater than VPIP

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That's what I thought.

I really think you need to decide on the flop if you've got equity against the SB. Either you're 3-betting and trying to knock out his high-card combos - or you're folding.

thejameser · #9 12-31-2005, 09:38 AM

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if he is raising everytime he would be 5/100

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delete. delete. I SAID DELETE!

TheHammer24 · #10 12-30-2005, 04:47 PM

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Do you really thinkg SB is 3-Betting this pf w.o JJ-AA with those stats?

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Top 5% of hands would be something like 99+, AJs+, KQs, AKo. You've got decent equity against this range. Note that his PFR matches his VP$IP - this leads me to believe one of two things: 1) He's raising almost every time he enters a pot (which means ALL the hands I mentioned above) 2) your read isn't very good. I think you're a decent poster - but I'm more inclined to believe #2. I can't ever recall seeing a 5% VP$IP player in several hundred thousand hands.

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He raises 5% of his hands. We should intuitively conclude that he 3 bets a lot less than that especially OP. Just because he's 5/5 doesn't mean he automatically plays AQs everytime for a raise regardless of circumstances. I'm thinking you are reading too far into this.

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Then why not fold the flop. If you're sure your behind - you don't have odds to continue. Fold. Otherwise.... raise that [censored] up. You've got plenty of equity against a reasonable SB range and the donkey.

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I think that this was the way to play the hand.