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Old 01-03-2005, 11:02 PM
rabman rabman is offline
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Default ATs vs All-in

$20 SnG NL. SB is tight aggressive T1600, MP is novice T1800, Hero is on the button T1200 with A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Blinds are 25/50. 3 folds to MP who calls, CO folds, Hero Calls, SB raises to 100, BB folds, MP calls, Hero Calls.

Pot T350 (3 players)
Flop 5 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

SB pushes all-in, MP calls, Hero?

This is a home game and I know the players fairly well. MP rarely plays, but SB plays a lot of poker on-line but mainly limit ring games. I play a lot on-line mainly pot-limit and no-limit SnG's. SB has not played many hands and has only shown down strong holdings.
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Old 01-03-2005, 11:11 PM
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Default Re: ATs vs All-in

I only play the $11s on Party, but I think this is an easy fold. I don't think an Ace or a Ten is an out for you with this flop thus significantly reducing the value of your hand.

Even if you're the shortstack at the table I think there has to be a better spot to get your money in.

Again I play lower SNGs but I think this is an easy fold.
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Old 01-03-2005, 11:25 PM
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Default Re: ATs vs All-in

It depends on if you think either of them would push/call with a flush draw, but in general you've got the odds to call here.
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Old 01-03-2005, 11:39 PM
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Default Re: ATs vs All-in

My read on the SB is that he would not push all-in with a drawing hand. I'm up against a made hand.
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Old 01-03-2005, 11:46 PM
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Default Re: ATs vs All-in

Well 40% chance you'll get the flush and win. Got pot odds. If you win you'll be up to nearly 4k chips for an almost guaranteed placing.
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Old 01-04-2005, 12:07 AM
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I think the average stack size would help with this problem. With the blinds at 25/50 and his stack 1000+ I see no reason to try and draw out on the TAG.
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Old 01-04-2005, 12:20 AM
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He's getting better than 3:1 while having a 40% chance of winning. This advantage is too large for me to pass up. On top of that, the position it puts you in allows you to have a GREAT shot at 1st and extremely likely to place.
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Old 01-04-2005, 03:38 PM
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I hate calling an all-in vs. two opponents and needing a draw. You could hit the flush and still lose to a boat, so I'm guessing you have less than a 40% chance to win this hand. I would wait for a better opportunity, especially if several of the players will fold when you try to steal blids. A hand that I am going to lose 60% of the time does not seem like a great idea...
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Old 01-04-2005, 07:11 PM
Frogistador Frogistador is offline
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The flush may or may not be sufficient to win, but regardless these are the numbers:

Odds of getting the flush: 1.86:1 (35%)
Pot odds: 2.3:1
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Old 01-04-2005, 05:58 PM
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Default Re: ATs vs All-in

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Well 40% chance you'll get the flush and win. Got pot odds. If you win you'll be up to nearly 4k chips for an almost guaranteed placing.

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A flush is not 40% to hit here. Hitting a flush definitely doesnt give you a win.
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