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Old 09-02-2005, 01:20 PM
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Default TT 1st hand versus big raise at limpers from SB: push, call, or fold

First hand of $50 supersatellite on Paradise for seats in $600 MTT. UTG position limps 20, I limp in 2nd position with TT, 4th position limps, button limps. SB raises to 200, UTG calls. Should I push, call, or fold?
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Old 09-02-2005, 01:58 PM
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Default Re: TT 1st hand versus big raise at limpers from SB: push, call, or fold

I'd fold and watch the player carefully over the next couple of hands. I'd push JJ+ i think.
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Old 09-02-2005, 02:27 PM
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Default Re: TT 1st hand versus big raise at limpers from SB: push, call, or fo

Yeah I do the same. Very risky business by putting your chips in a scenario where you have no reads.
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Old 09-02-2005, 03:28 PM
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Default Re: TT 1st hand versus big raise at limpers from SB: push, call, or fold

Why fold rather than call?
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Old 09-02-2005, 03:32 PM
FiReSiStAnT FiReSiStAnT is offline
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Default Re: TT 1st hand versus big raise at limpers from SB: push, call, or fold


Because you have no reads, he could easily have at least AQ

But wait

It also seems that he could have a lower pocket pair, 88s or 99s are possible especially in online play...

However, i think due to your position (2nd place to act) you have to fold here and wait for a better situation...
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Old 09-02-2005, 04:43 PM
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Default Re: TT 1st hand versus big raise at limpers from SB: push, call, or fold

I pushed. There was 500 in the pot and 1500 in my stack. I felt I had some pot odds and folding equity, although as the 2nd limper my limpraise lacked some credibility.

If UTG had JJ-AA, he was playing it very strangely by limp/calling. The raise of 10xBB 2xpot did not look like a big pair to me. Also, since the raise came from the blinds, it looked like he might be just trying to steal the pot. I thought there was some chance SB had a smaller pair than mine or some other hand I dominated. I thought I might be dealing with a loose fish who wanted to gamble.

SB called and UTG folded. SB showed QJs, which was a good result for me, since I was ahead 53-47 with 55-45 pot odds, so I was getting about 58-42 on my money. I felt like one of those loose fish maniacs when the hands were exposed, but I think my play was reasonable given the way the hand had gone. Villain made 2 pair, so the actual result was not good, as I was the first player to bust out of the satellite.
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Old 09-02-2005, 05:14 PM
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Default Re: TT 1st hand versus big raise at limpers from SB: push, call, or fo

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If UTG had JJ-AA, he was playing it very strangely by limp/calling. The raise of 10xBB 2xpot did not look like a big pair to me. Also, since the raise came from the blinds, it looked like he might be just trying to steal the pot. I thought there was some chance SB had a smaller pair than mine or some other hand I dominated. I thought I might be dealing with a loose fish who wanted to gamble.

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Those are a lot of reads for no reads.

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SB showed QJs, which was a good result for me, since I was ahead 53-47 with 55-45 pot odds, so I was getting about 58-42 on my money.

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Aren't these the exact types of +cEV situations we look to ignore early in the tournament? Unless you are the worst post-flop player in the history of hold'em, I think you needed to fold here.
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