Quick poll: what's your play on the flop?

[meep_42]

I'm not convinced the Q changes anything on the turn, since I think AQ isn't very likely, so i'd be more inclined to call down both UI. Getting past the turn is the hard part, imo, once you get to the river (with 1 bet on the turn), it's hard to lay down for 1 more, but lots of times you're only hoping he fired 3 bullets with AK/AQ.

-d

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I'm not convinced the Q changes anything on the turn, since I think AQ isn't very likely, so i'd be more inclined to call down both UI. Getting past the turn is the hard part, imo, once you get to the river (with 1 bet on the turn), it's hard to lay down for 1 more, but lots of times you're only hoping he fired 3 bullets with AK/AQ.

-d

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Not sure how the math goes, but it seems a Q would help him more often than an 8. I'm thinking KQ, KQs, AQ, AQs. Only hand I can see a generic TAG 3-betting from the blind is maybe 88.

If we are going into calldown mode it wouldn't surprise me to see him firing away all streets with a lower pair like 99, 88, 77.

Disclaimer: 1) I don't play against TAGs much so I'm not sure how to really handle them, and 2) I suck.

[SmileyEH]

OMG cap preflop!!!!111eleven.

-SmileyEH

[meep_42]

Really? I never even occurred to me to cap pf. I give villain credit for a real hand here and I don't think i'm going to fold him before the turn whether I cap or not. As a slight dog to his hand range (AK,AA-TT - AQs/99 possible), I think capping only gives him odds to draw later in the hand.

I'm just not convinced that taking the lead back here is worth the equity disadvantage I envisioned myself at.

-d

[SmileyEH]

It's probably neutral EV, but makes the hand easier to play and is good for shania.

-SmileyEH

[SmileyEH]

Also, depending on how good of a TAG the opponent is, his 3betting range is MUCH wider.

-SmileyEH

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Also, depending on how good of a TAG the opponent is, his 3betting range is MUCH wider.

-SmileyEH

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Just to add, if we're referring to the linked post... hero had been raising more lightly in previous orbits. If villain is a good TAG he would've definitely figured this into his 3-betting range.

[Luv2DriveTT]

As this poll continues I’d like to see responses to these questions:

Assuming the hero raises the flop:
1) What’s your line if the villain 3 bets?
2) What’s your line if the villain calls, but the turn is a scare card such as A, K, or Q?

Assuming the hero calls the flop:
1) What’s your line and why if the villain checks the turn?
2) What’s your line and why if the villain bets a safe card?
3) What’s your line and why if the villain bets a scare card?

Assuming you fold the flop:
1) Were you born retarded, and why?
2) Were you always worthless and weak, and why?

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Assuming you fold the flop:
1) Were you born retarded, and why?
2) Were you always worthless and weak, and why?

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Well played.

[ReptileHouse]

1) What’s your line if the villain 3 bets?

Call. Call down on bricks. Fold if A/K hits.

If a Q hits on the turn, call and fold river UI.

I am undecided about whether to raise an 8 on the turn (i.e., I haven't done the math).

2) What’s your line if the villain calls, but the turn is a scare card such as A, K, or Q?

If Q, call, else fold. Just calling the raise puts BB pretty solidly on overcards.

Assuming the hero calls the flop:
1) What’s your line and why if the villain checks the turn?

Bet/fold turn, bet/call non-scare river. If he c/r's, he's not afraid of giving a free card, so he's very confident in his hand, so I think we can safely fold there. If he check/calls, he's showing weakness implying either overcards he's not yet willing to let go of or a hand we very possible beat.

2) What’s your line and why if the villain bets a safe card?

call down.

3) What’s your line and why if the villain bets a scare card?

Call if it's a Q, else fold.


OK, now I'll probably get shown all kinds of good math about why all of the above lines which include the word "fold" are weak/tight. That's OK, though. I'd rather get told that here than shown that at the table. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]