Jacks

DireWolf · #1 03-29-2005, 04:14 PM

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (9 handed) converter

CO (t2405)
Button (t1575)
SB (t2410)
BB (t435)
UTG (t1420)
UTG+1 (t5445)
MP1 (t1010)
Hero (t3970)
MP3 (t845)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t50, MP1 calls t50, Hero raises to t250, MP3 calls t250, 4 folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls t200.

Flop: (t875) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
MP1 checks, Hero?

Whats my play on this flop. Notice both villans have pretty small stacks.

Tim H · #2 03-29-2005, 04:28 PM

i'd check and re-evaluate after an mp3 push and mp1 call

DireWolf · #3 03-29-2005, 04:32 PM

heh, yep thats what happened. I was getting about 4-1 on the call, and i called. Maybe its a leak?

Che · #4 03-29-2005, 04:40 PM

I fold if there's a push and a check-call all-in after my check because at least one guy has a K (or better) and the other has a flush draw minimum (well, maybe Tx).

But, I'd never get to that point since I would push first given that a pot-sized bet puts either opponent all-in. I want them to pay to outdraw me with their Ax or flush draw (when neither has a K, obviously).

Later,
Che

Tim H · #5 03-29-2005, 04:45 PM

my thinking on the check was:
I would most likely call the push/push since it's not too damaging relative to my stack but I want both in and hopefully the larger stack has the Tx or flush draw where i can make up some cash on the loss. If one pushed and the other folded I would fold as well.

Che · #6 03-29-2005, 04:52 PM

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If one pushed and the other folded I would fold as well.

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I think you've got it backwards. MP3 can push with AT, flush draw, any pocket pair, or even overcards+back door flush draw if he sees weakness in being checked to. These hands might offset his odds of having a K or set, I'm not sure.

However, when MP1 calls the push, he has to have at least a flush draw, I would think. If MP3 has a K, you're drawing to one out when MP1 has the flush draw, and 3:1 doesn't get it done. Sure, sometimes MP3 will be bluffing and MP1 has the flush draw, but I'm not sure that happens often enough to call them both down.

Maybe you're right, though, I don't feel like running all the numbers right now. [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

Later,
Che

Lurshy · #7 03-29-2005, 04:56 PM

With only 1 over card, and a good chance I get credit for the K, I bet out on the flop. Depending on stack sizes, that could easily be a push. Would rather try and take it down than to have to call off my money, and hope a A or Q doesn't fall even if I am ahead.