88 - set on the flop - play for the whole stack

tomtemor · #1 08-08-2005, 07:52 AM

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (7 handed) converter

Just wan't some oppinions on this hand, guess it's not very hard to play at all though.

Flop; bad raise, small raise?

Turn; Too big of a bet?

River; Perfectly fine to push, or?

BB is 36, 8, 0,75 ... I don't know what to put him on, he just calls all the way, it crossed my mind that he was on a draw, but hey, where's the draw?

Button ($50)
SB ($160.75)
BB ($48.60)
UTG ($40.05)
MP1 ($64.55)
Hero ($49.25)
CO ($85)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
1 fold, MP1 calls $0.50, Hero calls $0.50, 1 fold, Button calls $0.50, 1 fold, BB checks.

Flop: ($2.25) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, MP1 bets $3, Hero raises to $7, Button folds, BB calls $7, MP1 folds.

Turn: ($19.25) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $20, BB calls $20.

River: ($59.25) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $21.75 (All-In), BB calls $21.10 (All-In).

Final Pot: $102.10

NYCNative · #2 08-08-2005, 08:07 AM

In late position I will raise with 8s more often than not as I can often take down a pot with a continuation bet even if I miss my set and even if there are overs. But that's a personal preference. Many people play 8s for set value even with position and that's fine too.

After the flop, MP1 overbet the pot but your raise is still weak. I pop that up to $10 there at least, maybe more. Yes it's a fairly uncoordinated board but you could be up against a straight draw so make it expensive.

Raising more on the flop makes a turn push mandatory but even without that, I probably overbet the turn and push since you're pretty much committed here anyway. What river card comes that causes you to fold your last $20 after you've put in $30 already?

subzero · #3 08-08-2005, 08:23 AM

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In late position I will raise with 8s more often than not as I can often take down a pot with a continuation bet even if I miss my set and even if there are overs. But that's a personal preference. Many people play 8s for set value even with position and that's fine too.

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I do the same. Since you'll only flop a set or better about 12% of the time, it's important to try to get some value out of the hand when you miss.

BB probably has two pair (or an overplayed AJ). I can't imagine that he'd call your turn bet with a straight draw. If he did, he's bad and he'll give the money back really soon.

ryanghall · #4 08-08-2005, 08:24 AM

Looks fine other than the flop. I'd probably actually smoothcall this flop.

Ryan

fuzzbox · #5 08-08-2005, 08:29 AM

Looks great to me.

#6 08-08-2005, 08:51 AM

This play is fine from you and if he shows something like Q9
I'd type in LOL and buy back in! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

yvesaint · #7 08-08-2005, 08:54 AM

You know what, I just realized, I have no idea wtf BB has by the time showdown comes. The only thing comes to mind is some really weirdly played flopped two-pair.

tomtemor · #8 08-08-2005, 09:12 AM

Seems like I weren't the only one having problems putting this guy on a hand. After my pot bet on the turn I just couldnt put him on a draw. In general people seems to think I played the hand okey at least.

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This play is fine from you and if he shows something like Q9
I'd type in LOL and buy back in! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Pretty close, he showed me 79o and actually told me he picked up a double belly buster on the turn and the play wasn't all that bad. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

NYCNative · #9 08-08-2005, 09:23 AM

If you raised more on the flop and/or pushed the turn you would have priced him out of those calls. Or he would have made calls that were -EV.

yvesaint · #10 08-08-2005, 09:28 AM

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If you raised more on the flop and/or pushed the turn you would have priced him out of those calls. Or he would have made calls that were -EV.

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The flop raise was okay, although making it 9 probably would have been better. BB was making calls that were -EV -- he called a 3-bet cold with a gutshot, then called a pot-size with a double gutshot with only one card to come.