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Old 07-14-2005, 10:03 PM
detroitplayer detroitplayer is offline
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Default Re: RAYMER OUT?!

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detroitplayer would have waited for Kings.. He's not worth a response.. He's a complete mental midget.

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There he is.

Listen, Skippy. If Greg had pushed pre flop with that hand and lost, it would have been a different story. You do know that he pushed post flop, right?

I thought we were supposed to be playing right now. Lets go, and not clog up the board with your inability to read, k?

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Explain the bold part.

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Greg was so low in chips he'd push with almost any two cards and his opponents don't need much of a hand at all to call with. Greg should have known this and picked a better spot since the flop didn't give him a "believable" or scary board to bluff at.

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one more time. So he's down to 250k on the flop...how can you check/fold with enough money for 2 orbits there?

you can't. stop acting like you know how to play MTTs, please.

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If it's between check-folding, and knowing you're going to get called by almost any two cards good enough to open-raise with, then I check-fold there. It's better than going home for the time being. But I guess I wouldn't be able to think that clearly if I was tilting like Greg was either. [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

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I'd imagine we wouldn't be having the conversation if his opponent held QJ. The fact is hes going to get all-in and if he does it preflop the guy calls with aything.

Sure he would have preferred a better flop, but he didn't get one. He puts in the same chips he could have put in preflop and as it turns out the guy had a pocket-pair and called so the result is exactly the same as pushing preflop. However if the guy had instead had something like QJ and folds on the flop where he would have called preflop, Raymer turns a 55/45 type situation into more like a 65/35 since he is forcing his opponent to hit the flop or call knowing hes a likely a dog. Plus if the other guy ever actually folds something like 55 or ATo, Greg benefits immensely.

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I 110% completely understand that. However, my point has been that you're probably not going to find someone open raising with QJ or a similarly weaker hand while the short stack is in the big blind.
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Old 07-14-2005, 10:04 PM
Kevmath Kevmath is offline
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Default Williamson all in again...

for 650k taking down the blinds/antes.
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Old 07-14-2005, 10:05 PM
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Default Re: H-DOG vs Tate

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Date / Time: 2005-07-14 15:49:00
Title: Tate Stalls
Log: Conor Tate disagrees with the penalty against Sheikhan, and is stalling on his decisions to help keep Sheikhan alive. The table is split on this tactic, and Tournament Directors are forced to call time on him each hand.

Who would I rather kick in the nutz? H-Dog or Tate. This garbage Tate pulled is pathetic. This is a tournament between individuals, not a team. This borders on collusion, does it not? Thanks to the team play Sheikhan is still in this while others are on the rail. Pathetic.

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The guy who did this yesterday, I didn't have a problem with. However this Shiekhan guy seems like a real douche and doesn't deserve someone to stick up for him.
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Old 07-14-2005, 10:06 PM
Thrahl Thrahl is offline
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Default Re: RAYMER OUT?!

IVEY OUT !! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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Old 07-14-2005, 10:06 PM
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Default Re: RAYMER OUT?!

I forgot 55 was such a monster.
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Old 07-14-2005, 10:07 PM
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IVEY OUT !! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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i'm seriously bummed [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]
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Old 07-14-2005, 10:07 PM
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Default Kantor busts Ivey!

KK v JJ, K on the flop, Ivey picks up flush draw on the turn, but blanks out.
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Old 07-14-2005, 10:08 PM
archangel archangel is offline
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Looks like Mike called a big all-in raise with AJ. Granted he's got a big stack so maybe it's ok. But I sense a meltdown is coming.

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Greg would have and has done the same thing ... only difference is Greg would've sucked out.
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Old 07-14-2005, 10:08 PM
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Default Re: RAYMER OUT?!

you could see this coming. all that raising and folding and then he goes all in and busts out. 11 to go
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Old 07-14-2005, 10:09 PM
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IVEY OUT !! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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i'm seriously bummed [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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Guess I have no choice but to root for Mikey.
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