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Old 11-06-2005, 10:23 AM
krishanleong krishanleong is offline
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Default I started doing this lately...

should I stop?

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (6 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, BB folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB calls.

Turn: (5 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks.

Villian is 52/10/.8/36 over 734 hands.

Krishan
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Old 11-06-2005, 10:30 AM
pshabi pshabi is offline
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Default Re: I started doing this lately...

What are you trying to accomplish? Free card? nice job. If not? Then, well, I don't get it.
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Old 11-06-2005, 10:42 AM
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Default Re: I started doing this lately...

I do this 23.472% of the time against an unknown, which I think is about right. Against a LP, I believe it makes sense to do it somewhat more.
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Old 11-06-2005, 11:04 AM
krishanleong krishanleong is offline
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Default Re: I started doing this lately...

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What are you trying to accomplish? Free card? nice job. If not? Then, well, I don't get it.

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Yeah, basic free card play. HUSHers are correctly ingrained not to take free cards HU. I haven't really been using a free card play very often anymore. I've been building it back into my repetroire and was wondering if others use it/if it's a profitable move given my outs and the small pot size.

I have done the math and I think it's okay. Posted for some confirmation.

Krishan
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Old 11-06-2005, 11:07 AM
nfscreech nfscreech is offline
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Default Re: I started doing this lately...

I think it's ok.

Assuming your outs are clean, you're a bit less than a 3:1 underdog to hit your hand on the river. You're getting 4:1 on your money by raising the flop.

Edit: I don't really know anymore. Getting 3-bet/lead into on the turn really kills this play.
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Old 11-06-2005, 11:13 AM
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Considering the large number of donkbets being made lately, your play is becoming more and more standard as both a value raise and a free card play.
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Old 11-06-2005, 12:27 PM
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Considering the large number of donkbets being made lately, your play is becoming more and more standard as both a value raise and a free card play.

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If it may be a valueraise, do you call a donk on a blank river card?
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Old 11-06-2005, 12:59 PM
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Default Re: I started doing this lately...

I sometimes take this line against passives. I fold to a riverbet
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Old 11-06-2005, 01:56 PM
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Default Re: I started doing this lately...

Yep, I think its ok to do it for freecard.

What do u think he is betting on this flop that needs a freecard for u?

Wouldnt you prefer to have A-high, so u can call a river(bluff?)bet. Or would u bet turn ater raising flop if u had a good hand like AT?
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Old 11-06-2005, 02:33 PM
krishanleong krishanleong is offline
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Default Re: I started doing this lately...

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I sometimes take this line against passives. I fold to a riverbet

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Yeah the whole point of this line is to fold to a river bet.

Krishan
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