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Old 11-17-2005, 01:07 AM
zgall1 zgall1 is offline
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Default Highest attainable winrate with other players\' cards visible

Let's say you believe that very good players can drop 300 BB simply due to a terrible run of cards. If that player could see the other player's cards and had that same run of terrible cards, what do you think the highest winrate they could achieve (in BB/100)?
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Old 11-17-2005, 01:53 AM
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Default Re: Highest attainable winrate with other players\' cards visible

Well, you'd be able to play perfect poker; your winrate is now a function of the number of mistakes/devations from the Fundamental Theorem of Poker that your opponent makes.
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Old 11-17-2005, 05:06 AM
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Default Re: Highest attainable winrate with other players\' cards visible

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Well, you'd be able to play perfect poker

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No, you wouldn't.
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Old 11-17-2005, 05:42 AM
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Default Re: Highest attainable winrate with other players\' cards visible

You could see two guys holding AA, You raise your flush draw on the flop due to small edge and one folds and the other raises you [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

That'd mean you just raised without edge, infact a -Edge.

Not perfect poker.
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Old 11-17-2005, 11:41 AM
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Default Re: Highest attainable winrate with other players\' cards visible

Basically you'd still have missing information, how they will react to your actions.
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Old 11-17-2005, 12:32 PM
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I think key info is missing. Can they see your cards? Can they see everyone's cards? Do they know you can see there cards?
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Old 11-17-2005, 12:39 PM
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Default Re: Highest attainable winrate with other players\' cards visible

Another thought: Among players of equal skill, when all of them can see each others cards, the winrate would end up negative due to rake.

Unless, (thinking about Mike Caros law of least tilt) tilt levels & control of emotions are not equal which could give you the edge to break free of negativity.
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Old 11-17-2005, 01:09 PM
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Default Re: Highest attainable winrate with other players\' cards visible

3BB/100 hands

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Old 11-17-2005, 04:59 PM
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Default Re: Highest attainable winrate with other players\' cards visible

Assume you can see everyone's cards and nobody knows you can see them
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