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Old 11-20-2005, 05:07 PM
B Dids B Dids is offline
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Default Re: Joseph Hachem...Your Opinion New World Champion

Hatchem explained his logic behind this move in his chat btw.

To say he didn't have a read is to really understand what a "read" is. It's not just "he twitched his eye, he's got crap". It's "I understand how he plays here and what he will raise here and I think I can fold a very large % of hands with which he'll raise in this spot".
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Old 11-21-2005, 03:06 AM
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Default Re: Joseph Hachem...Your Opinion New World Champion

It's not like they showed a bunch of blind-steal hands in the coverage either.

Very few who are trying to judge this hand didn't read through the hand-histories on whatever site has them all.

Thus, for all you know, there may have been a hand or two in there where Kanter showed he would raise with anything but would frequently lay-down to a re-steal attempt.

If Kanter has a history of raising a LOT...and then laying down to aggression...then Joe could have a combination of folding-equity AND a chance of catching on the board that would make it +EV to try such a move.

Stack size is a factor here too.


There are other ways where it would be just fine to try that move...I was just listing one.


trying to look at these hands in a vacuum is a mistake.
These guys played for 13 hours on that day and we saw only a small fraction of those hands (and zero of the hands where someone bets PF and the rest of the table folds...or someone else raises and the original bettor folds).


To say that there were no reads on the other players is silly. They got to learn quite a bit about each others' personalities and playing styles through those many hours sitting there staring at each other.
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