The disgraceful right-wing distortion on the domestic spying issue

[elwoodblues]

If Bill Clinton had done the exact same things as Bush is doing, to those on both the right and the left, would your opinion change as to whether it was appropriate?

Consider: The PATRIOT Act, the Padilla case (and similar actions), the wiretapping issues.

[canis582]

Thanks for the analysis andy, good stuff.

As for Bluffs: "Excerpt below from today's WSJ op-ed page gives the president's legal authority for warrantless wiretaps."

LoL..The WSJ's op-ed page supercedes the constitution? Do op-eds by NAMBLA proponents give me the legal authority to you know what? not that I want that, as I am not the member of the clergy.

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If Bill Clinton had done the exact same things as Bush is doing, to those on both the right and the left, would your opinion change as to whether it was appropriate?

Consider: The PATRIOT Act, the Padilla case (and similar actions), the wiretapping issues.

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Absolutely not. If Clinton had done this I would have thought the same thing -- a dangerous, unprecedented power grab that threatens the foundation of our nation.

[xpokerx]

You realize of course that Clinton DID these things right?

[elwoodblues]

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You realize of course that Clinton DID these things right?

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Bill Clinton was a major proponent of and signed the USA PATRIOT act?

Bill Clinton ordered the detainment of a US Citizen, characterized him as an "enemy combatant," and intended to hold him for an unspecified period of time without access to any judicial oversight to determine if he was, in fact, an "enemy combatant"?

I guarantee if the roles were reversed and Clinton acted the same way Bush did following 9/11 --- doing the exact same things --- you would have hoardes of Conservatives (who now follow Bush because they trust him) up in arms about bad Big Government and vice versa.

Clinton might have done some similar things, but they were not widely known about because the country wasn't focussing on those things. 9/11 changed that.

[xpokerx]

Clinton murdered American citizens. Waco and Ruby Ridge.

Clinton launched attacks on numerous nations, among them, ironically, Iraq. The reason, because of Saddams WMDs, that Clinton apparently lied about, therefore people died.

Clinton abducted a child and sent him back to a communist country instead of having him stay here to be raised by loving family. The really ironic part is that the child survived the attempt to flee Cuba, but the mother did not, the mother is surely smiling down from heaven knowing that Clinton sent her child BACK to the place she gave her life to leave.

The problem is that Bush has done NOTHING to infringe on American freedoms that even BEGINS to approach the evil and horrific things that Clinton did. However, Clinton gets a pass, because hes a liberal, and therefore infallible or some such nonsense.

No, Clinton did a great many damaging things, including the treason of selling classified technology to the Chinese, but, at least he didn't make some dude sit in a jail cell for a while before being charged.

[DVaut1]

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However, Clinton gets a pass, because hes a liberal, and therefore infallible or some such nonsense.


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How is he getting a free pass? You just cited 10 ways in which you think he egregiously infringed on civil liberties.

[xpokerx]

Who am I? And that's the point.