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10-13-2005, 11:44 AM
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Re: Animal pain, suffering, and death: why does it matter?
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Very well put. Of course SDM will say 'matters to whom'. Matters to the people taking the journey and that is all that it needs to be important to. [/ QUOTE ] Can any journey be "wrong"? (despite it mattering to the person undertaking it) 
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10-13-2005, 11:49 AM
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Re: Animal pain, suffering, and death: why does it matter?
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[ QUOTE ] Very well put. Of course SDM will say 'matters to whom'. Matters to the people taking the journey and that is all that it needs to be important to. [/ QUOTE ] Can any journey be "wrong"? (despite it mattering to the person undertaking it) [/ QUOTE ] How do you define right and wrong? Are you in agreement with NotReady that there are no real morals without god (most people here disagree). I think it can turn out to be the 'wrong' journey after the fact. It may even be 'wrong' during the journey. And if it is 'wrong' enough you will end up in jail.
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#3
10-13-2005, 12:00 PM
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Re: Animal pain, suffering, and death: why does it matter?
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I think it can turn out to be the 'wrong' journey after the fact. [/ QUOTE ] Explain.
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10-13-2005, 12:08 PM
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Re: Animal pain, suffering, and death: why does it matter?
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[ QUOTE ] I think it can turn out to be the 'wrong' journey after the fact. [/ QUOTE ] Explain. [/ QUOTE ] Ex. someone may spend much of their life (taking a journey)abusing alcohol or drugs. Then later on, they have a change of heart and realize they have gone down the 'wrong' path. There are individual rights and wrongs as well as societal rights and wrongs. Individuals probably change their ideas of right and wrong more often than does society. Most laws (codified right and wrong) change incrementally but an individual can have a completly different view of right and wrong at different points in their life. IE. compare a child's moral compass with that of an adult.
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10-13-2005, 12:17 PM
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Re: Animal pain, suffering, and death: why does it matter?
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Ex. someone may spend much of their life (taking a journey)abusing alcohol or drugs. Then later on, they have a change of heart and realize they have gone down the 'wrong' path. There are individual rights and wrongs as well as societal rights and wrongs. Individuals probably change their ideas of right and wrong more often than does society. Most laws (codified right and wrong) change incrementally but an individual can have a completly different view of right and wrong at different points in their life. IE. compare a child's moral compass with that of an adult. [/ QUOTE ] I don't understand your point. Are you saying that one should abide by the laws that govern them? or That all that matters in life is that an individual looks inside himself and is content with the path he has chosen? (even if it is in conflict with society's laws)
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10-13-2005, 12:34 PM
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Re: Animal pain, suffering, and death: why does it matter?
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[ QUOTE ] Ex. someone may spend much of their life (taking a journey)abusing alcohol or drugs. Then later on, they have a change of heart and realize they have gone down the 'wrong' path. There are individual rights and wrongs as well as societal rights and wrongs. Individuals probably change their ideas of right and wrong more often than does society. Most laws (codified right and wrong) change incrementally but an individual can have a completly different view of right and wrong at different points in their life. IE. compare a child's moral compass with that of an adult. [/ QUOTE ] I don't understand your point. Are you saying that one should abide by the laws that govern them? or That all that matters in life is that an individual looks inside himself and is content with the path he has chosen? (even if it is in conflict with society's laws) [/ QUOTE ] Sorry you don't understand, thought it was pretty clear. I think it is important that you do what matters to yourself. Hopefully, though, what matters to you doesn't conflict with society or you may be contemplating your life from behind bars.
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#7
10-13-2005, 12:40 PM
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Re: Animal pain, suffering, and death: why does it matter?
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Sorry you don't understand, thought it was pretty clear. I think it is important that you do what matters to yourself. Hopefully, though, what matters to you doesn't conflict with society or you may be contemplating your life from behind bars. [/ QUOTE ] What about Hitler? He remained "true" to himself, and led his society.
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#8
10-13-2005, 12:04 PM
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Re: Animal pain, suffering, and death: why does it matter?
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[ QUOTE ] Can any journey be "wrong"? (despite it mattering to the person undertaking it) [/ QUOTE ] How do you define right and wrong? Are you in agreement with NotReady that there are no real morals without god (most people here disagree). I think it can turn out to be the 'wrong' journey after the fact. It may even be 'wrong' during the journey. And if it is 'wrong' enough you will end up in jail. [/ QUOTE ] "Wrong" is the wrong word. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] One's fellow travellers might send him to the final destination early if they are sufficiently motivated and powerful.
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#9
10-13-2005, 11:57 AM
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Re: Animal pain, suffering, and death: why does it matter?
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Can any journey be "wrong"? (despite it mattering to the person undertaking it) [/ QUOTE ] You may know this already, but IMO no, because there is no "wrong".
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