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#21
10-20-2005, 05:02 PM
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Re: Tricky decision! \"I put you all-in\"
I feel like sticking my thumb in seat4's eye, even if I'm just a railbird. I hate the phrase "I put you all in" so much it puts me on tilt. hmm.... maybe that's why people keep putting me all in.
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#22
10-20-2005, 06:27 PM
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Re: Tricky decision! \"I put you all-in\"
Randy,
I am curious why you seem to take for granted that Player in seat 4 's statement that "I put him all in" referred to player in seat 1. Sure he is facing seat 1, but that can also be that he is facing the dealer. He's leaned back away from the table not into seat 1.
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#23
10-20-2005, 07:03 PM
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Re: Tricky decision! \"I put you all-in\"
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Randy, I am curious why you seem to take for granted that Player in seat 4 's statement that "I put him all in" referred to player in seat 1. Sure he is facing seat 1, but that can also be that he is facing the dealer. He's leaned back away from the table not into seat 1. [/ QUOTE ] So, perhaps he put the dealer all in. Surely the dealer has more in his tray than either of the players at the table. I really don't see where you're going with this one. Swede
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#24
10-20-2005, 07:23 PM
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Re: Tricky decision! \"I put you all-in\"
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So, perhaps he put the dealer all in. Surely the dealer has more in his tray than either of the players at the table. I really don't see where you're going with this one. [/ QUOTE ] Where i'm going with this is that when a player makes verbal declaration it should be to the dealer. So the guy sitting in seat 8 has no reason to think that the player is talking about seat 1. Its not like the guy leaned in pointed at at the chips in front of seat one, He leaned back and said to the dealer "I put him all in" The fact that he was facing Seat 1 is deceptive becuaee he was actually facing where he should generally be facing. This is a different story if the three players are seat 3 seat 4 and seat 8, in that case if the player in seat four was facing seat three it would be an indication that he was talking about seat three. but what if the player in seat 4 just looked straight ahead and said I put him all in?
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#25
10-20-2005, 07:40 PM
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Re: Tricky decision! \"I put you all-in\"
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Hey there's a floor position open at my casino, you've got what it takes to do the job! Steel toed boots! al [/ QUOTE ] God help the person that has to work with YOU MAGOO! [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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#26
10-20-2005, 08:17 PM
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Re: Tricky decision! \"I put you all-in\"
Haven't looked at other responses yet.
"1) How much did seat 4 bet?" I'd allow it to stand where seat 4 bets the amount of seat 1's stack. His point that he only wanted to bet the size of seat 1's stack seems believable given a $700 bet into a $120 pot doesn't make sense. Obviously the decision should be accompanied with a bit of a warning that next time seat 4 shouldn't expect any break (or that you owe him a kick in the nuts). "2)If you rule that seat 4 only bet as much as Seat 1 had in front of him, May seat 8 now raise?" Although a case can be made that seat 8 could have asked for clarification of seat 4's bet, I'd now give seat 8 the chance to either just call or raise all-in. That said, I'm open to arguments against this position. ~ Rick
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#27
10-20-2005, 08:25 PM
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Re: Tricky decision! \"I put you all-in\"
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I'd allow it to stand where seat 4 bets the amount of seat 1's stack. His point that he only wanted to bet the size of seat 1's stack seems believable given a $700 bet into a $120 pot doesn't make sense. [/ QUOTE ] This is a fair statement, now how does it affect your response if the pot size was $600?
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#28
10-20-2005, 08:42 PM
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Re: Tricky decision! \"I put you all-in\"
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[ QUOTE ] I'd allow it to stand where seat 4 bets the amount of seat 1's stack. His point that he only wanted to bet the size of seat 1's stack seems believable given a $700 bet into a $120 pot doesn't make sense. [/ QUOTE ] This is a fair statement, now how does it affect your response if the pot size was $600? [/ QUOTE ] I think that could swing it the other way. Seat 4 has to bear some responsibility for his mistake or there would have to be a lot of evidence that seat 4 meant seat 1 (e.g., he was pointing at seat 1). Perhaps kicking seat 4 in the nuts may be the best solution. ~ Rick
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#29
10-20-2005, 08:42 PM
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Re: Tricky decision! \"I put you all-in\"
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Randy, I am curious why you seem to take for granted that Player in seat 4 's statement that "I put him all in" referred to player in seat 1. Sure he is facing seat 1, but that can also be that he is facing the dealer. He's leaned back away from the table not into seat 1. [/ QUOTE ] It isn't real clear, but normally when someone says they are putting someoen in it is a stack they have covered by a lot. If it is a stack that is close to their own the common statement is "I'm all in." The "putting" someone in implies their stack is a lot larger then the other player's.
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#30
10-20-2005, 08:47 PM
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Re: Tricky decision! \"I put you all-in\"
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It isn't real clear, but normally when someone says they are putting someoen in it is a stack they have covered by a lot. If it is a stack that is close to their own the common statement is "I'm all in." The "putting" someone in implies their stack is a lot larger then the other player's. [/ QUOTE ] Very good point. ~ Rick
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