KK, overcards again

CO is loose but has been getting a lot of lucky boards so far, so may be even more overconfident as well.

also, alternate situation, what if the river is not an A/Q/J? does my line change?

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Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, BB calls, MP folds, CO calls.

Flop: (10 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB folds, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (7 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (9 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 11 BB

[deepsquat]

tough spot. He prob isnt raising/semi bluff raising a draw as you have two of the Kings. I think you will find he will have an A or 2 pair here very often.

Id be happier to call this down if the river was an Ace rather than a Q or J as now all we are beating is a J or a bluff.


I usually call this river but i think its probably a leak.

[kidcolin]

You need to fold this turn pretty hard.

given how loose CO is? seriously? not only do i have a good chance to be ahead but 6 outs as well if i'm not.

[thesharpie]

I'm folding the river. Not enough you're beating even getting 10 to 1. Turn call looks close but good, you usually have 6 outs but your effective outs are a little over 5 considering the times he has AT or KQ where you have 3 outs.

Edit: You're not necessarily behind on the turn, either, as you pointed out.

[milesdyson]

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or KQ

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then we have the best hand [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

[thesharpie]

I'm thinking a street ahead. [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

[yellowjack]

Fold the turn. We showed strength preflop, and he raised us on the AQJ flop.

[kidcolin]

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given how loose CO is? seriously? not only do i have a good chance to be ahead but 6 outs as well if i'm not.

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You're overvaluing your outs. Sometimes he'll have AK, so you're drawing to 1 out for the pot and 4 for a split. Sometimes he'll already have a straight. You need 5 outs for the odds you're getting. I'd say you have about 4. I guess it's closer than my original assumption, but I still think I toss it.

[POKhER]

I think KT plays it to the turn, I think an ace will most likly raise here though. So i think we have four outs, potentially 6.

I don't mind the way you played it out on flop/turn(we have outs).

However the river is tough, I wonder how often we'll win, 10% the way it played out? Hmm i doubt it but pots big... And i HATE calling for that reason.

I actually think, although Miller posted "call in big pots" is 10 BB big enough to justify it? What do we beat that raises?

We're behind any Queen, Ace, KT, QJ, AJ, AQ.
Can you fold to a LAG?

I thinks its a fold the turn or go to SD.