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Old 10-23-2005, 11:12 PM
HiatusOver HiatusOver is offline
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Default Humor me please with a little Short Stack discussion!

Major Tournament on Stars...80 percent of the field gone. Blinds 1000-2000 with 100 antes, avg stack 27K. BB has 12K, 1 big stack out there, everyone else average or below (2 others have around 12K, rest have 20-30). UTG folds, I have T22,100 and KJs. My image is tight-aggressive, my standard opening has been 6K. Fold, Raise, Mini-Raise, Push, Call?
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Old 10-23-2005, 11:19 PM
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Default Re: Humor me please with a little Short Stack discussion!

i'd probaly push, dunno if that's right or not.
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Old 10-23-2005, 11:38 PM
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With no table reads I fold. Raising just about anything pot commits you, and I don't think anyone is going to play with you with a hand worse than KJs. I'd save my chips and save them for spots where the chances of my raise getting called are lower, or I want my raise to be called.

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Old 10-23-2005, 11:45 PM
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Default Re: Humor me please with a little Short Stack discussion!

Doesnt Harrington push in this exact same spot with KQo in LA and say it was definitely right? Are those 2 hands much different?
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Old 10-24-2005, 02:27 PM
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Default Re: Humor me please with a little Short Stack discussion!

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Doesnt Harrington push in this exact same spot with KQo in LA and say it was definitely right? Are those 2 hands much different?

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What's LA? If you mean LP (late position), then that right there tells you that the 2 hands are much different.

If you have a tight agressive image here, pushing may be profitable, but I still probably fold here and wait it out. There's a chance that someone behind you will wake up with a pair or 2 big cards and with KJ, 2 big cards have you dominated more often than you'd like. You're NOT yet desperate enough to make a move like this in EP. I vote for a fold, though I don't think pushing is all that wrong. Calling is horribly wrong though.
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Old 10-23-2005, 11:37 PM
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Default Re: Humor me please with a little Short Stack discussion!

UTG+1 KJS with 10.5bb at a full table is pretty easy preflop fold. You need to be in later position or have a shorter stack to take the risk of open pushing with a hand like KJs.
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Old 10-24-2005, 01:28 AM
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Default Re: Humor me please with a little Short Stack discussion!

Do you really think it's that easy of a fold? At around 10BB there is a decent chance that two big suited cards are the best you will see before being anted and blinded into oblivion. At least when you are first in, you still have enough chips to hurt someone, so most people will likely have to have a pretty good hand to call. There's definitely some fold equity there making it a bit of a semi-steal.
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Old 10-23-2005, 11:45 PM
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What do you think you get called w/ ? If it's anynthing similar to 99+,AJs+,AQo+, then it's +EV to push.
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Old 10-23-2005, 11:47 PM
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Default Re: Humor me please with a little Short Stack discussion!

I think that range is pretty accurate...maybe add 88, probably nothing lower. I assumed push was +EV with that range
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Old 10-23-2005, 11:50 PM
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Default Re: Humor me please with a little Short Stack discussion!

Is there any argument to this hand being +Chip EV but not +tournament EV?
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