Mods please chill...."8-tabling and such" (cont)

[Big Limpin']

First: you mods have a reason for locking that one? I dont post here as much anymore, but still browse, and when i find a post i want to reply, and spent 30 seconds going "where is the damn reply/quote button" then deducing its been locked. [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

So i want to reply to ZeroPointMachine's:
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[...]8-tabling at the 20s [...] play was far from optimal. I really seemed to struggle around the middle stages. One table would be in ITM, 1-2 would be on the bubble, and 3-4 would be in pre-bubble(5-7 player). The action speeds up at this point because of the reduced number of players but I would generally still have 6-8 tables in play. The biggest -EV change in my game was a tendancy to shy away from re-steals because I just didn't have the read I wanted to make the move. Hopefully, I will adjust after a few hundred more games.

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So yeah, this is familiar to me. I've been 9-tabling the last few weeks, after only doing quads before. And the scenarios ZPM mentions have been happening in my games too. I've been doing 800chips, and they open quick enough. I usually get all 9 up within 3 minutes, according to SnGtracker, so start times are not staggered by any meaningful amount.

15 minutes later:
-1 table is still in 10/15 mode, weve played 8 hands and nobody has busted.
-2 tables are a little further along, but still 9,10 ppl
-a handful are about "normal" at 25/50, 7-8 handed
-a few are speeding along and just pre-bubble
-...then i look up and this one table is 4 handed, and i have t650 vs t2k, t3k, t2k...ahhhH!! and its not even pushbotable yet...gonna need to play some real poker to survive

and its from this point, for about the next 15 minutes, thats the real hectic time. Things actually seem more straightforward come ITM. I find anyways. Its when you need to give different amounts of attention to paticular tables, and that can only come at the expense of others.

Like the one case i give when a table is 4 handed, you shorty, and you still have a full slate of other games. Well, THIS is the one that is most read-critical, you want to be watching every hand on this, most important, table.

I find this often leads me to take a pass on some hands on the early tables that i would play if single tabling. Say 99 or AQo utg in level 3...or not making a steal from the CO in level 4 that would probably be slightly plusEV...i just take a pass on them bacause my attention is better served making a better decision elsewhere. And ZPM, you give re-steals as an example. Totally, thats right in there too.

I'm thinking the #of important decisions per minute peaks at around 20-30 minutes into a session. The very early is alot of folding preflop, lots of tables, but they are each full and going slow. And at the very end, its fast action but usually half the # tables.

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SO hopefully we can reopen the discussion? Its sad we need a new thread though [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

I'd really like to hear others experiences with this, and if they found any good solutions [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] I'm still in my first month of this, so hope i can learns the best way once when its easy.

[HonchoOverload]

I'm also confused as to why my thread was locked.

[citanul]

here's my problem, ok?

here's the original post:

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I've noticed that some of you play 8 tables at once. I can maybe handle 3 six handed tables at once before I just don't notice player characteristics anymore and have a hard time making effective decisions. How the hell does one do 8?!??!?!

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as i said to durron, my response is:

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i'm sick of things that say "i don't get how you do x, i can only do y" when the answer is "to 8 table, you click open 5 more tables than when you 3 table, and then you play poker"

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while the discussion that might grow might be great, the original question stinks.

like a few more:

Q: how do i move up?
A: you click on a table with a bigger buyin

Q: how do i play continuous instead of in sets?
A: you open a new table when one busts

Q: how big is your penis?
A: huge

c

[HonchoOverload]

Wow, you guys sure know how to engender a community.

Better question, then (and what I was effectively getting at when you shut my thread down)

At what x does x-tabling take away from your ROI because you can't observe player characteristics effectively?

[skipperbob]

Power Corrupts...Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

[durron597]

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Wow, you guys sure know how to engender a community.

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And yet he made it to the finals in the mod contest and I lost in the second round [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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[bjb23]

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Better question, then ?

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ummm not really... this has been asked many times.

the variable x in your case depends on so many factors that it's not even funny. are you a good multitasker? are you old and cant see well? what buyin are you playing? 1000 or 1500 or 800 chippers? are you used to playing many tables? surely x is dependent on practice, no? do you have a multi monitor set up? do you look at porn while you play?? ... i could go on and on.

[pooh74]

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do you look at porn while you play?? ...

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That would make the variable "3x" correct? I dunno what you guys look at but anything else aint worth it.

[Big Limpin']

(in a mountainclimbing forum, Himilayas subforum)
Q: Some of you guys have climbed everest, no? Id like to do that, im trying...ive climbed K2 and came out ok, but i seem to have problems from basecamp2 on up. Can you guys give me any pointers? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
A: Dummy. Just sand there and start walking up.[img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]
Q: Ok, but, like, my oxygen keeps running out, and i have other problems [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]
***LOCKED*** [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

[HonchoOverload]

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Better question, then ?

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ummm not really... this has been asked many times.

the variable x in your case depends on so many factors that it's not even funny. are you a good multitasker? are you old and cant see well? what buyin are you playing? 1000 or 1500 or 800 chippers? are you used to playing many tables? surely x is dependent on practice, no? do you have a multi monitor set up? do you look at porn while you play?? ... i could go on and on.

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Okay, what x does it decline with YOU? And what buyin/level do you play? Let's compare some friggin' data for christ's sake. We're all geeks here...