Two Flop Bets w/ Not Much

Hand 1 is a value bet.
It gets interesting afterwards.

Hand 2 makes me feel warm inside.

[Blunderfull1]

Hand 1 seems standard to me and I like it.
Hand 2 is harder for me to do, but I love it.

When it comes to 1/2, I feel that you can get people to fold a good amount of time that hand 2 is a good play.

[Maurader1]

Although the bets are sexy, I am usually lost on the turn if I get a caller...fire again or not assuming a blank falls? Sometimes I feel the assumption that the "weak players will fold ui" turns me into over agg maniac on flops such as these...

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I make both of those bets, what's more interesting is what happens after your bets.

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i love it when the first respondent perfectly summarises my thoughts

what was the point of contention here?

[shant]

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I make both of those bets, what's more interesting is what happens after your bets.

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i love it when the first respondent perfectly summarises my thoughts

what was the point of contention here?

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I made this post because I had been reading a lot of micro threads lately and saw a lot of people advising check/folding the flop in situations like this because the pot was small, etc. I'm glad to see that a lot of people thought they were standard.

[benkath1]

Hand 1 I like. The pot is small enough to discourage chasers and you should pick it up right there. Or get check raised and drop it like it's hot.

Hand 2 I'm not sure. gutshot and ten high bdfd. Doesn't seem worth it to me.

I'll read what the others have to say and hopefully learn something.

[benkath1]

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Hand 1 I like. The pot is small enough to discourage chasers and you should pick it up right there. Or get check raised and drop it like it's hot.

Hand 2 I'm not sure. gutshot and ten high bdfd. Doesn't seem worth it to me.

I'll read what the others have to say and hopefully learn something.

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OK, I think I got something out of this. I guess my concern to everyone who likes hand 2 is, how many of these pots are you taking down?

Maybe I'm just playing in the wrong games, but it seems when I make a value bet similar to this one, someone's there to call me down with bottom pair or A high.

Can I ask about your turn play? what if in hand 2 the turn is something like the 3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] or J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]? Are you betting again? Check/folding if called and missed the river?

Oblviously I'm having trouble winning showdowns and I think my turn play is the start of the problem.

glunchtime

hand 1: herm, 4SB pot. This IS a raggedy flop, so it's worth a shot. We can expect JT & overcards to call. If raised, we probably have to fold. A hand like A7 & K7 will probably call and not raise, so when do we stop value betting--turn? river?

hand 2: definitely. You have some bd outs as well as the overcards. Me likey.

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I definitely like the first hand.

The second hand is tough for me. I don't think I value my overcards in this scenario enough (simply because they don't have pretty pictures on them), so consequently, my gut reaction is that you don't have enough of a draw to make your semibluff all that semi (all bluff instead).

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what's nice about these cards is that they are probably live. If we get called here, it's also easy to c/f the turn UI.