QQ in huge multiway pot, ace flops

#1 11-22-2005, 01:37 PM

UTG+2 is a tight and aggressive player and certainly knows what he is doing.

Cryptologic 0.50/1.00 Hold'em (10 handed) link

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
Hero raises, 1 folds, UTG+2 3-bets, MP1 calls, 1 folds, MP3 calls, CO calls, 3 folds, Hero caps, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls.

Flop: (21.50 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
Hero bets, UTG+2 raises, MP1 calls, MP3 calls, CO folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (14.75 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero...

What do I do? There are 5 players in this huge pot! Somebody must have an ace.....?

@bsolute_luck · #2 11-22-2005, 01:41 PM

i would have folded to the flop raise. i don't think our hand is goot and we don't have a good draw to call with. with the spade draw out there, looks like we're down to 1 out and even in this big pot, it isn't big enough.

on the turn: check/fold.

TheKentock · #3 11-22-2005, 01:41 PM

I would just c/c the flop, and probably c/f the turn. Against this many opponents, I just don't see your queens holding up UI.

BTW, excellent table selection, if you have 3 guys willing to coldcall 3 bets preflop. that's a juicy table.

davelin · #4 11-22-2005, 01:42 PM

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i would have folded to the flop raise. i don't think our hand is goot and we don't have a good draw to call with.

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Set draw?

midwestkc · #5 11-22-2005, 01:43 PM

I would check and if UTG+2 bets, cry like a baby while folding.

jaxUp · #6 11-22-2005, 01:44 PM

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I would just c/c the flop, and probably c/f the turn. Against this many opponents, I just don't see your queens holding up UI.

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yah

sean c · #7 11-22-2005, 01:45 PM

I would have capped pre flop.

[img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] nevermind i will read the OP next time. [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

#8 11-22-2005, 01:46 PM

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UTG+2 is a tight and aggressive player and certainly knows what he is doing.

Cryptologic 0.50/1.00 Hold'em (10 handed) link

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
Hero raises, 1 folds, UTG+2 3-bets, MP1 calls, 1 folds, MP3 calls, CO calls, 3 folds, Hero caps, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls.

Flop: (21.50 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
Hero bets, UTG+2 raises, MP1 calls, MP3 calls, CO folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (14.75 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero...

What do I do? There are 5 players in this huge pot! Somebody must have an ace.....?

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Unfortunately, there is nothing you can do here. You're right, someone must have an ace, especially given that two poeple called two bets cold on the flop. On the turn you should probably check/fold, although if UTG + 2 bets and gets two calls, you may have implied odds to call and try to hit your set. Overall I would lead towards folding though.

I'm pretty sure you shouldn't lead out on the flop, but I can understand why you would do it in the middle of the hand.

I think the most important thing to do after hands like these is to remain confident that you did the right thing by capping pre-flop, and not let the hand get you down.

Baloosh · #9 11-22-2005, 01:47 PM

Wouldn't a Tight-Agressive player who "knows what he's doing" raise the flop here with JJ or KK?

I think the TAG is the least of your worries in this hand -- those other callers are the ones who will play Ace-rag for any number of bets pre-flop. If you really want to fight for this pot, you could probably (maybe?) get the TAG to fold, but not the other 3, especially when they flop their A-rago. I'd check this flop and depending on the action, fold or call.

Since you bet the flop, you don't have odds to spike the non-spade Q (1 out). You do have odds to spike any Queen, but the Qs could be an expensive second-best hand.

..unless you river g00t and pair the board.

TomBrooks · #10 11-22-2005, 03:00 PM

Check the flop into a field of five. If it comes back two, fold.