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Old 06-22-2005, 02:16 PM
Unoriginalname Unoriginalname is offline
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Default am i too tight? was this good QQ preflop laydown? (party $20+2)

***** Hand History for Game 2140767463 *****
50/100 TOURNEYTEXASHTGAMETABLE (NL) (TOURNAMENT 12729879) - WED JUN 01 20:43:32 EDT 2005
Table Table 14889 (Real Money) -- Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 8
Seat 1: milanman21 (1075)
Seat 3: tecf1fan (1090)
Seat 4: MajorJackAce (330)
Seat 6: skippy21 (1510)
Seat 7: eb816 (835)
Seat 8: ekpolo6 (725)
Seat 9: nteasyforme (335)
Seat 10: sharpies1027 (2100)
ekpolo6 posts small blind (25)
nteasyforme posts big blind (50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to eb816 [ Qd, Qc ]
sharpies1027 raises (225) to 225
milanman21 folds.
tecf1fan raises (400) to 400
MajorJackAce folds.
skippy21 folds.
sharpies1027: good hand
eb816 folds.

I had no good reads due to some multi-tabling.
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Old 06-22-2005, 02:20 PM
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Default Re: am i too tight? was this good QQ preflop laydown? (party $20+2)

QQ's not looking too good after that action in front, and you have no fold equity. I think it's a good fold.
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Old 06-22-2005, 02:23 PM
Shajen Shajen is offline
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Default Re: am i too tight? was this good QQ preflop laydown? (party $20+2)

What was the buy in?

Edit: Christ, I must be going blind. It's right there in the title.

To be honest, I probably don't fold QQ here. I'd like to say I would, but I probably wouldn't. It's a leak I need to plug.
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Old 06-22-2005, 02:28 PM
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Default Re: am i too tight? was this good QQ preflop laydown? (party $20+2)

I think I'd push. The opportunity to win a big pot att his point in the tourney is worth the risk that you might be behind. Plus its a 20, so you are going to be ahead most of the time.
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Old 06-22-2005, 02:33 PM
Laomedon Laomedon is offline
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Default Re: am i too tight? was this good QQ preflop laydown? (party $20+2)

This seems like a clear push to me at 20+2, am I wrong? Any reads on either player? Maybe if you had a stack of 2000, it would be a more difficult situation, but seriously, you have what seems to be a good opportunity to triple up. Original raiser could have AJ+ or 99+, reraiser could have 1010+ or AKo+ so you could be very behind but still... I've seen people do some nuts things at a 20+2, I think I would be pushing this more times then I fold it at that level.
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Old 06-22-2005, 02:33 PM
Karak567 Karak567 is offline
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Default Re: am i too tight? was this good QQ preflop laydown? (party $20+2)

I only read the title of your post, I didn't even look at the hand.

And I can tell you just knowing it is a 20 + 2 and you have QQ - terrible laydown.

Don't lay QQ down pre-flop at a 22.
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Old 06-22-2005, 02:41 PM
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Default Re: am i too tight? was this good QQ preflop laydown? (party $20+2)

At first I wanted to say "no freaking way I fold here", but it's not that clear cut. The raise really really looks like AA or KK, but at a $22 someone could think AK or JJ is the nuts and play it like that or they could be a smart tricky player who knows how to make it look like AA or KK. Either way I think with 7BBs and 8 players left this is a hand you have to play.
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Old 06-22-2005, 02:48 PM
PapiChulo503 PapiChulo503 is offline
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Default Re: am i too tight? was this good QQ preflop laydown? (party $20+2)

I think its a good laydown.

I also think its interesting that people are advocating a push because theres a lot of cards that could beat you. UTG is raising 4x the BB and MP re-raises with people left to act behind him, he is representing a monster. Its still early so why risk it?

Q-
Is this an auto push at the next level?

How about the previous level?
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Old 06-22-2005, 02:51 PM
Dr_Jeckyl_00 Dr_Jeckyl_00 is offline
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Default Re: am i too tight? was this good QQ preflop laydown? (party $20+2)

Well, it is tough, I don't play $22 so I don't know what people raise with. But there are only 2 hands better than yours at this point and the 1st bet is not that strong, I think that you're ahead most of the time... push.
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Old 06-22-2005, 02:52 PM
PapiChulo503 PapiChulo503 is offline
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Default Re: am i too tight? was this good QQ preflop laydown? (party $20+2)

Micro,

The blinds are low and theres two other players with shorter stacks. Why not wait for a better spot to double up and let the shorter stacks make some mistakes? Wouldn't he have a better chance of making the money?
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