AKo improves on river....raise?

[NickRegino]

Sure I would go ahead and raise, and then call if there is a 3-bet.

[MrEngenic]

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Either fold the turn or raise the river - if you aren't planning on the raising when you hit, then you don't have sufficient odds to call the turn.

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Bullshit

[Buck_65]

You can't give yourself 6 clean outs on this one. I think 4.5 would be more accurate. Getting only 6.5 to 1 on the turn, I'd fold there. Given the way you played it, I raise the river. You drew to a pair because you thought that would be the winner and you made your hand, so why wouldn't you raise?

Edit: I hadn't read any responses before posting. Since the discussion has turned to dealing with a river 3-bet, I'd call without expecting to win often enough to make a call profitable, but I'd have to find out how villain plays whatever hand this is.

[krimson]

Was your intention to call down u/i with AK? I think against this kind of player this is okay.

I raise the river, call a 3-bet, there are a few hands I see beating us, but I also see him betting through with hands like 77, 88, etc. on this board.

[Octopus]

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I used to play this hand the way you did. Lately I've been folding the turn.

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That's folding the best hand against a laggy player way too often. There are also times when he'll just check the river too...not many, but it needs to be considered.

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Amen. If the probability that he is behind now, will still be behind on the river, and will check in that case is even 2.5%, that is worth about a full out here. I'd say that the probability is at least that high.

How is it bullshit? You have somewhere between zero and six outs. I peg it at 4 ... 3 for one of your cards, 1.5 for the other because half the time you're reverse dominated, subtract a bit for the runner runner flush or a made two pair and you have 4 outs max. You can't call this turn without the implied odds on a river raise, unless you think your AK high is good on the turn. If that's the case, we should be raising the turn to get a free SD (and betting the river if we hit our ace or king.)

[SmileyEH]

I raise and fold to a 3bet, I think the chance you are bluff 3bet is about 5%.

-SmileyEH

[MrEngenic]

The notion that you have to raise if you hit your outs is wrong. You can call the turn if you believe:
1) Opponent is bluffing/semibluffing and he will check the river so you can win with A high.
2) You will hit one of your outs on the river, your opponent will check his lower pair/whatever so you can valuebet with your TPTK.
3) You will hit an out and he will bluff you one last time, and you catch him with your TPTK.
4) You hit and raise expecting him to call with any kind of hand that is worse.
5) You call with A high and catch a complete bluff.


When he bets the river you have more information than you had when you called the turn. You raised preflop, called down and still he bets into you on the river.
The chance you will win has decreased when he bets so you may or may not want to raise the river when you hit your "out".


I don't usually raise the river without a strong read. Put yourself in his position, what would you bet into a preflop raise with on the river if he calls down and an A flops on the river? Even if you do have the best hand, he would have to call your raise to make it profitable.

[A_C_Slater]

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I raise and fold to a 3bet, I think the chance you are bluff 3bet is about 5%.

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But what about a 3bet "because I have the best hand (AQ)" 3bet?

[thesharpie]

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I raise and fold to a 3bet, I think the chance you are bluff 3bet is about 5%.

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But what about a 3bet "because I have the best hand (AQ)" 3bet?

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He raises that preflop? Interesting question is what about a 3 bet "because I have the best hand (69)". [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]