Is there a single hand I'm ahead of here?

Claunchy · #1 12-13-2005, 04:27 AM

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (9 handed) internettexasholdem.com

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
Hero raises, 2 folds, MP2 calls, 2 folds, Button 3-bets, 2 folds, Hero calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (10.50 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks, Button bets, Hero folds

ajm36 · #2 12-13-2005, 04:51 AM

If Button has a tight 3-betting range, then no. However, given the pot size, you should call one SB to see the turn for your straight and trips possibilities and c/f the turn UI. Player reads would definitely help here. Is he loose or tight, passive or aggressive, or neutral. does he auto bet the flop after a raise.

Claunchy · #3 12-13-2005, 04:58 AM

No super-accurate reads on button -- I hadn't seen him 3 bet preflop in like an hour though. I guess it's not totally inconceivable he has AJ, AT...but that seems like a stretch.

#4 12-13-2005, 05:03 AM

Consider capping preflop.

bet/3bet flop.

your ahead of too many hands to even list here...

ajm36 · #5 12-13-2005, 05:14 AM

I agree with capping PF and opening on the flop. If you call the 3-bet then consider c/r the flop. but if the Button has a tight 3-bet range (let's assume AA-TT, AK, AKs, AQs, maybe AQ, and MAAAAYBE AJs). which hands are you ahead of beside AJs?

Edit: Also, some of the hands you are drawing to are counterfeit and some lead to a split pot.

sean c · #6 12-13-2005, 09:58 AM

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bet/3bet flop.

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I think this is a great way to spew some chips if this guy isn't lag.

bozlax · #7 12-13-2005, 12:15 PM

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No super-accurate reads on button -- I hadn't seen him 3 bet preflop in like an hour though.

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Do you have ANYTHING on him? You've been with him for an hour, you've got to have some stats, some other hands he's played/showed down, etc?

This is a toughie, because your automatic reaction is going to be, "I've got TPTK and a draw to the nut straight," but @b is right...against even a loose-ish preflop 3-betting range the best you're getting is a split, so you have to cut your odds in half and you don't have enough to continue. Good laydown.

Claunchy · #8 12-13-2005, 02:58 PM

Eskimo - bet/3bet flop? What does that accomplish?

bozlax - I dunno. I'm 4 tabling and I don't use PT. If he had done anything super-weird I would have noticed it, but he hadn't. Just your average pretty loose, not terribly aggressive .5/1 player.

To those who said peel one, what card am I looking for? I guess if one of the 2 Qs left hits I'm okay, but one of those is a club so even that out is sorta tainted.

DCWildcat · #9 12-13-2005, 03:01 PM

This is why we have reads on people. You're not getting any accurate advice without them.

The chances you're ahead of AJ + your gutshot draw make this an easy call.

Claunchy · #10 12-13-2005, 03:04 PM

Frank - 1. No, I haven't been capping AQs preflop. Maybe I should be.

2. I don't even remember what hand won this, and I definitely was not posting to brag about my Hellmuth-esque laydown skills in Party .5/1. This is probably the only time I've ever layed down TPTK for one SB EVER.

I simply want to know if there's any chance I'm ahead on the flop, and if I'm not, what reasonable draws do I have?