AJs(BB) Vs PFR - 1/2 PT read.

POKhER · #1 10-19-2005, 12:29 PM

Turn/River play please.

I had not seen any significant/strange play from this guy so ill provide PT stats.

60/2.7/1 over 75 hands(These must have been datamined, I usually note these guys down).

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Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
2 folds, UTG+2 calls, 1 fold, MP2 calls, MP3 raises, 3 folds, Hero calls, UTG+2 calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero bets, UTG+2 calls, MP2 folds, MP3 raises, Hero calls, UTG+2 calls.

Turn: (7.25 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG+2 checks, MP3 bets, Hero calls, UTG+2 calls.

River: (10.25 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG+2 checks, MP3 bets, Hero calls, UTG+2 calls.

Final Pot: 13.25 BB

I assume preflop call is ok, although it was marginal IMO due to this guys PreflopRaising stat. Over 70hands though i figured it could be just sample size and may have JJ for all i know so i called.

The flop i bet out to see how he reacts, he raises so i assume im behind:
AA/QQ/AK/AQ
Ahead:
KK/ATs/JJ/TT

To be honest, I thought i was behind here.

The turn, its a brick really but with UTG+2calling it seems ok(Weak ace maybe). But am i ahead to continue to SD?

River - Well i assume i cant fold?

ClaytonN · #2 10-19-2005, 12:31 PM

I'm thinking a flop checkraise would be more appropriate. You're letting all the callers in behind you priced correctly with gutshots or flushdraws, whereas you can be certain it will get checked to the preflop raiser. Then you can work from there.

aargh57 · #3 10-19-2005, 12:45 PM

I think pf call is fine. To the list of hands you could be ahead here I would add:
KQs,KQ,

He's a fairly aggresive player so I wouldn't rule out the free card play or a raise with 2nd pair here. I lead the turn and call a raise there.
I definitely bet out on the river with 2 players. If it's raised, I might call down but even then I probably reraise. If it got down to just you and villain by the river I would lead out if he didn't raise the turn and go for a check/raise if he raised.

Edited to take out some hands that I can't really give him credit for raising with.

#4 10-19-2005, 12:47 PM

2.7 PFR. You could be right with sample size but I don't see this guy raising AJ,AT,TT. I'd be surprised if he raises AQ for that matter.

His aggression is pretty high considering the number of hands he plays. For this reason, I want to see a show down. Check\call is a good line IMO.

If this guy had the usual LPP aggression of ~.3 I'd bet\fold the turn.

But I suck.

Aaron W. · #5 10-19-2005, 01:11 PM

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Turn/River play please.

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Flop play, please.

shadow29 · #6 10-19-2005, 01:58 PM

awful.

this flop is screaming to be c/r. screaming.
bet turn. 3-bet possibly. if capped call down.
bet river if not raised on turn.

perdiste mucho dinero aqui.

lufbradolly · #7 10-19-2005, 02:08 PM

Looks fine to me, i'd play it the same.

POKhER · #8 10-19-2005, 02:10 PM

Yeh i accept the flop C/R due to the position of the preflop raiser and my hand.

So C/r flop if he calls bet turn/river.
Or C/r flop if he 3bets call down?

perdí más cuando él tuvo AQ (did i screw that up?
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Cheers guys, appreciated.

Fantam · #9 10-19-2005, 02:16 PM

I agree with the suggestions for trying to check/raise the flop.

On the river, I cant see many hands that you would be ahead of against a passive preflop raiser, other than perhaps JJ or TT.

I expect that your read would have become clearer if you had check/raised the flop.

RatFink · #10 10-19-2005, 02:16 PM

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The flop i bet out to see how he reacts, he raises so i assume im behind

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If you check-raise flop you get more useful hand definition from opponent based on 3-bet or call and eliminate anyone else in the hand without a flush-draw or an ace.