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Re: This board makes me laugh (a reality check)
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[ QUOTE ] Bush is a liar, Bush is the devil, etc. He’s doing a pretty good job, not perfect, but it ain’t easy. Over 80% of people like me agree that he’s doing a pretty good job based on the military vote in the last election. I don’t think he’s Abe Lincoln but he isn’t the devil either. Do you think 80% of the people like me are just too stupid to know better, or do we have an informed opinion? [/ QUOTE ] I don't know if you are stupid or not. You might be, you might not. Is it surprising to you that 80% of people who are like you are also thinking like you? If so, why would that surprise you --- by definition, they are "like you." [ QUOTE ] That this is a war for National Survival... [/ QUOTE ] What nation? Certainly not ours. [/ QUOTE ] Like me = in the military. If you don't think there is a threat to our national survival that's fine with me. The fact is that there is. |
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If you don't think there is a threat to our national survival that's fine with me. The fact is that there is. [/ QUOTE ] There seems to be a bunch of them. Nukes in Korea. Nukes in Iran. Industrialization of China. The response to Iraq violating no-fly zones seems a bit... disproportionate. |
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The response to Iraq violating no-fly zones seems a bit... disproportionate. [/ QUOTE ] Iraq did not violate the no-fly zone. They had no air force left to fly. Those aircraft that weren't shot down, long before the no-fly zone was established, were tucked away in Iran, IIRC. They did, however, fire missiles at our planes patrolling the no-fly zone. And every time they did, that particular missile site was destroyed. |
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Re: This board makes me laugh (a reality check)
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[ QUOTE ] So what is reality? I’ve killed them, they’ve tried to kill me. I’ve talked to them (terrorists, members of AQ) and they are very focused on their mission and commanders intent. Their mission is to destroy our society, one way or another. Western Europe will be right after us, those poor idiots are really in a state of denial. The enemy are very clear about their mission and very focused on making it happen. I'd say being a suicide anything is pretty focused. What is reality? That this is a war for National Survival, all the bs “background noise” is political fluff on both sides. "Background noise" is all the talk about what "we" should or should not be doing, all the political bs. [/ QUOTE ] I think it's clear that OP is referring to the War on Terror when he refers to a war for national survival. With that said you responded: [ QUOTE ] What nation? Certainly not ours. [/ QUOTE ] Ok I think this is the crux of the difference between supporters of Bush policy and those who are opposed. The opponents to Bush policy to a large extent (not everyone who is opposed but IMO at least most of those who are) do not buy into the concept of a "War on Terror" nor do they buy into the concept that the "War on Terror" is a matter of U.S. national survival. Apologies if you were only referring to the war in Iraq but in reviewing the posts in context I assume that you are referring to the "War on Terror" as not being a matter of national survival. I only commented on your post because I think your comments get to why there is a deeply divided nation on this issue. |
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I buy into the War on Terror. I don't buy that we are struggling against a terrorist threat that could any way threaten our nation's survival. That's beyond hyperbole.
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Agreed.
Not saying that there shouldn't be a war on terror, but the US is not going to cave into Al-Qaida's demands, and we have tech + superior firepower + more forces = teh win. |
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Agreed. Not saying that there shouldn't be a war on terror, but the US is not going to cave into Al-Qaida's demands, and we have tech + superior firepower + more forces = teh win. [/ QUOTE ] Al-Qaida + control of a large supply of oil + nuclear weapons + will to use them == utter chaos and mayhem in the U.S. |
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With Iran and North Korea developing nuclear weapons? With Soviet nukes still unaccounted for? I can only assume you are joking.
[ QUOTE ] I don't buy that we are struggling against a terrorist threat that could any way threaten our nation's survival. That's beyond hyperbole. [/ QUOTE ] |
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I read through this forum pretty much everyday ... everyday I am more and more convinced that most of you are completely out of touch with reality... [/ QUOTE ] so true |
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Re: This board makes me laugh (a reality check)
"this is a war for National Survival"
I think the crux of the disagreement critics have with the administration's policy is that the invasion and occupation of Iraq have nothing to do with national survival. That we were attacked by Al Qaeda which was being harbored by the Taliban in Afghanistan. "all the bs 'background noise' is political fluff on both sides. 'Background noise' is all the talk about what 'we' should or should not be doing, all the political bs." No doubt a lot of the talk in Washington is politics. After all, our leaders are politicians. But, to the best of my knowledge, most of us who post here are just interested citizens. There is no political advantage to be gained or lost by what we post here as we're not politicians. "So 'we' should grab a ruck and a rifle and see wtf is really happening in the world before commenting on anything" I disagree with this. Every citizen is entitled to voice his or her opinion and it doesn't necessarily require a chicken to recognize an egg. There is also a sporting events forum in which many of us comment on trades and strategies. We don't need to play the game to have some knowledge of expertise or have something to contribute. After all, the president hasn't grabbed a ruck and a rifle, but that doesn't affect how I view his decisions. "'we' aren’t in Iraq or Afghanistan, We (the military) are." The military is there in the name of the United States. And maybe some of us have friends, or relatives in service. Maybe some of us have been in service before or have lost friends or relatives in service. While it is easy for me to sit in the comfort of my home or office, I wouldn't think to criticize the actions of the men and women on the ground in Iraq or Afghanistan, as I know little about their day to day activities. But I do know what the president, the vice president and the attorney general have said over the past few days and I see nothing wrong with a bunch of us discussing it here on this forum. "We," meaning the armed forces of the United States, operating in the name of the country, are indeed in Iraq and Afghanistan. |
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