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Old 12-28-2005, 01:52 PM
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Old 12-28-2005, 01:55 PM
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Default Re: $22: Push or wait with an uber short stack

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I guarentee u get a better hand than j8 offsuit in 3 or less hands.

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I call BS on your claims of making 5K per week playing SNGs if you fail to understand that it's not simply a matter of him getting a better hand before the blinds hit him.

Okay, so say the next hand he picks up TJo, but the pot is raised in front of him. Is that a better spot than open pushing with 8Jo from the button? Hardly.
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Old 12-28-2005, 01:57 PM
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Old 12-28-2005, 06:17 PM
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Default Re: $22: Push or wait with an uber short stack

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I call BS

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Like the terminology, think I may adopt it.
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Old 12-28-2005, 03:00 PM
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Default Re: $22: Push or wait with an uber short stack

You sir, are giving awful advice.
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Old 12-29-2005, 01:48 AM
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Default Re: $22: Push or wait with an uber short stack

With the ranges that people are putting the SB on would it be more realistic for the SB to isolate rather than flat call?
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Old 12-28-2005, 12:01 PM
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Default Re: $22: Push or wait with an uber short stack

I'd fold complete rags since there is no ante and you have no fold equity.

J8os is way to powerful to fold here though, especially since the sb might fold and you can go against BB's call with a very likely random hand.
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Old 12-28-2005, 03:05 PM
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Default Re: $22: Push or wait with an uber short stack

With a range of 22+, A2+, KT+, QT+, JT+ (which is actually probably overly generous) for the SB, and any 2 for the BB, pushing is, as noted, EV neutral. Even if the SB is slightly tigther (22+, A2+, KT+, QJ+) it remains more or less neutral.

Even if BB folds 20% of his hands, it is only marginally +EV. In a 20, I'd push, because the 20 players I've encountered often do not correctly understand pot odds. I've seen BBs fold for a 1/2BB bet when they were getting 5:1.
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Old 12-28-2005, 03:15 PM
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Default Re: $22: Push or wait with an uber short stack

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If push, push any 2 from position or is there a limit to your push hands?

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Push any pair, any A, any K, Q6o+, J8o+, T8o+, 98s+.
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Old 12-28-2005, 03:38 PM
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Default Re: $22: Push or wait with an uber short stack

I think that the OP's stack is just big enough to have a very, very good chance of getting heads up. Think about it:

He pushes. SB still would have to call an additional 255 chips more in order to call. That is 23% of his stack. (He'd be down to t770 if he called and lost - not an insignificant hit to his stack.) AND he still has BB to worry about acting after him. So, the bottom line is that he needs a good hand. But most players aren't going to call off this much of their stack from the SB here. They (I should say I) would push the BB out if I had a hand that I was going to commit this many chips to.

So the bottom line is it is quite likely that the OP will end up heads-up with one of the blinds. His stack is just large enough to make this very likely, IMO.



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