what affects roi the most?

[stupidsucker]

Trying to find holes and such, I asked myself... where should I start?

[citanul]

wow, this is actually very hard
i think the hardest one for most people is the middle game, as it's much less formulaic than most people's mid and late game, though many people play either 3 or 2 handed terribly.

in short: it depends. there are styles of early play which elad to late play being different than other styles, for instance. no?

citanul

I would choose an option you dont have on there... bere it is, and I bet you'll agree with me

short-stacked play.
oh, and in second place
splashing around in too many pots.

[Freudian]

Pushing followed by relentless valuebetting early on.

[GtrHtr]

none of the above but mostly ITM play if I had to pick. I definitely say HU play. If you look at most of the stats posted on the forum by successful players, all around 38%ITM or so, the ones with even distribution between 1st and 2d have the edge on ROI.

I figured it was middle play. If your middle play is solid, you can build your stack and position yourself to finish strong and fight it out for first. many times, when it gets down to 5 people, they tighten up. if you can be a bit more aggressive/opportunistic, you can steal some blinds and build up a stack. If you tighten up, your stack slowly fades as you wait out the shortstacks, often crippling you once you hit the money. Ya 3rd is great because it pays, but lets face it, no one is satisfied with anything but first.

[pooh74]

I was actually going to start a thread on this subject.

For me, personally, meaning its a highly subjective question, it would have to be early play. That affects everything after it and there is much more to come after early play than there is after late bubble play obviously.

I became such a good bubble player that I got an inflated ego and thought I was therefore a great poker player...well, im not, I suck. But, my strength is definetely late big and short stack play. The problem is when I am playing too many pots early and end up at level 5 with a shortie, forcing me to play the "bubble" with 6-7 left.

In a SNG, you're post flop "greatness" is not getting you anywhere early...limping everytime you get 78s just because "I can get away from it" is still dumb. yeah, on the button with 3 limpers its great. But early game discipline is key to my swings because I tend to always overestimate my implied odds. "was this a good push" is almost never question I ask, I instead ask, "why am I <10bbs at level 4.

ROI is going to balance over time on your late game pushing (given you understand basic bubble strategy)...its what you get there with that really affects its level.

[Big Limpin']

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What affects roi the most (long term)

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Half-assed ISP. THis is not a joke.

[nyc999]

I chose middle play. For me personally, I know that I tend to tighten up when I build up a stack of 1200 - 1800 instead of using it to my advantage.

Maybe I should call "mid-big stack" play as my primary weakness. This leads to a lot of 2nds and 3rds.

[raptor517]

this poll is VERY level dependent. in the 11s-33s, obviously it is playing a good bubble and short handed/big blinds game. in the 55s its a combination of things, as more people know how to plya a bubble. i say it comes down to lvl 3 4 and 5 play. in the 109s and 215s, its all about the early and middle games. everyone knows how to at least play a decent bubble, therefore your edge comes in the early stages. holla