what affects roi the most?

[stupidsucker]

Trying to find holes and such, I asked myself... where should I start?

[citanul]

wow, this is actually very hard
i think the hardest one for most people is the middle game, as it's much less formulaic than most people's mid and late game, though many people play either 3 or 2 handed terribly.

in short: it depends. there are styles of early play which elad to late play being different than other styles, for instance. no?

citanul

I would choose an option you dont have on there... bere it is, and I bet you'll agree with me

short-stacked play.
oh, and in second place
splashing around in too many pots.

[Freudian]

Pushing followed by relentless valuebetting early on.

[GtrHtr]

none of the above but mostly ITM play if I had to pick. I definitely say HU play. If you look at most of the stats posted on the forum by successful players, all around 38%ITM or so, the ones with even distribution between 1st and 2d have the edge on ROI.

[Degen]

i think what is implied is that 1 and 2 are bubble play and HU play

[stupidsucker]

I got better response from this then I expected...

A lot of great ideas have come out of it and I would like to research it further. Raptor makes a very good point about the skill level being directly relative to earlier play being more important.

Might I suggest we narrow this down a little further. I missed an obvious one, Bubble play. I would not includ such things as Big stack play or short stack play because they dont happen in every SnG you play, but I am open to ideas.

[Degen]

lol dude

do you not see that bubble play effects ROI more than anything else? at least up to the 33's...

second is definately heads up play, without a doubt


i also agree with what rap said about the early play being key at the 109's...as most of them play the bubble g00t

[GtrHtr]

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lol dude

do you not see that bubble play effects ROI more than anything else? at least up to the 33's...

second is definately heads up play, without a doubt


i also agree with what rap said about the early play being key at the 109's...as most of them play the bubble g00t

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I see your point, but after thinking about this more today, I still have to say HU. Bubble play is hugely important for both staying alive and moving ITM and gaining chips to improve finishes. But in many ways that will also simply effect your ITM%.

The one significant thing that effects ROI - the actual calculation we use to identify how much $$ we are making is HU play due to the large difference between 1st place money and 2d or for that matter 3d.

I figured it was middle play. If your middle play is solid, you can build your stack and position yourself to finish strong and fight it out for first. many times, when it gets down to 5 people, they tighten up. if you can be a bit more aggressive/opportunistic, you can steal some blinds and build up a stack. If you tighten up, your stack slowly fades as you wait out the shortstacks, often crippling you once you hit the money. Ya 3rd is great because it pays, but lets face it, no one is satisfied with anything but first.