party poker

[Sponger15SB]

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Unbelievable!! Can't believe anyone can win at party with their first deposit.. i lost my first deposit($50) in half an hour..

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I have a feeling this is a regular posting messing with us, but I'll bite.

Aren't you suppose to win on your first deposit so you keep coming back? I've always heard the rig it in the favor of first time players.

[Smokey98]

This exact same thing has happened to me on 3 different sites. 2 of the 3 I have 2 OR more accounts and the exact same thing happened. Your story is like deja vu. WOW!!!

[Freudian]

It is not all that interesting from a math perspective. Perhaps a thesis in Business or Statistics would be more suitable.

[MasterShake]

When I first started playing online poker. I signed up with Party Poker and deposited $100. I lost that $100 in a Saturday afternoon. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

Why didnt I triple my money? Did the software somehow "forget" about me?

[uw_madtown]

Like, this one time, when I was at a casino, I saw this one hand... two guys saw the flop, and, like, it was KJx. And then, oh man, the turn was a JACK... so the board was KJxK! And there's no cap when it's heads up, so these two guys just go at it, raising and reraising until the one guy's entire $100 stack was in! I thought FOR SURE they both had KJ -- but then a third J hits the river! The all-in guy flips KK and the other guy flips AJ and takes it down with rivered quads beating kings full!

That casino is so totally rigged. And it's not even close!

[SlimB]

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Lets look at the facts.
1. Most of these on-line poker sites are based in 2nd world and 3rd world countries.
2. These sites want to make money. And many of these sites are making TONS of money.
3. There is little regulation for many of these sites.


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Yeah, let us look at the facts! The fishiest of ALL online poker sites, Pacific Poker, is owned by Cassava Enterprises Inc., which is incorporated in GIBRALTAR. Now, as you may or may not know, Gibraltar is a colony the United Kingdom, and surrounded by Spain. Last time I checked neither country were considered part of the third, or for that matter the second, world. Incidentally Cassava also owns Casino-on-Net, which has been in the online gambling racket since 1996, ample time I am sure, to be caught 'in flagrante', as it were, if they were up to anything suspect, given the average paranoia in the "zoo".

This sounds (even to me) as advertizing for Pacific, but no, it is not. What I am saying is simply that being a regular player there I see my good and great hands (PF and later) being cracked by absolute junk more often than most, and I fail to see why that would make Pacific rigged?! If you don't believe me, try for yourself.

I've got two suggestions for the "rigg-fearing" online players in these forums:

1 - Give yourself two aces, deal nine starting hands, and properly deal a five card board. Repeat a few hundred times.

2 - If you a) believe YOU are rigged, or b) still believe online poker is rigged, JUST STOP PLAYING ONLINE!

Regards,
Slim

[amax]

Hey I don't know if they are rigged or not. But there aren't possible to create a infinite number random generator as I know it. It will repeat it self eventually.
Having that said, I think creating a rigged random number generator isn't worth while. The rakes are allready very profiatble in small stakes table. In fact it isn't that easy winning enough to stay a head of the rake...

Another thing:
It's the looseness that increases the odds of being outdrawn. But in the long run it's the same looseness that makes it easy to profit as a tight/aggressive player. As you all know drawing against the odds in limit, will almost always cost you in the long run.

Sorry for stateing the obvious.... [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

Just one more thing that some of you perhaps need to think about, If you flip a coin 100 times and write down the series. Then you ask a couple of people to write down a random series of 100 coin flips (without doing the actual flip). It is rather easy spotting the flipped series as it will have more tails or heads in a row for example. My point being that what a person sees as a random series usually doesn't allow enough extreme values to be statistically correct.

/that's all folks

[meow_meow]

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Unbelievable!! Can't believe anyone can win at party with their first deposit.. i lost my first deposit($50) in half an hour.. i mean ive played in pacific poker, poker room, empire poker, golden tigerpoker and interpoker, but never ever have been so "lucky".. i lost two times my fullhouse cuz someone rivered a bigger one.. the i lost a set to a backdoor flush.. finally my last 10 bucks were lost with pocket rockets to a rivered set of queens.. PARTY POKER FUCKS WITH US!!! party is the reason im afraid of betting on the river unless i have the nuts.. rot in hell party

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And so it goes.
Thread starts off - "Party is rigged because I win at first, then lose"
Multiple responses - "I'm not saying it's rigged, but this also happened to me/a friend of mine"
Guy above - "Party is rigged because I quickly lost my first deposit."

When are people going to stop putting value on anecdotal evidence, and start beleiving the (lack of) statistical evidence.
Look, at least half the people here log every hand via PT. I'm sure many of them examined their data for patterns and/or statistically significant deviation from the random.
How many posts have you seen from people with actual data, saying site x is rigged?
Enough already

[nykenny]

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Anyone else notice this or am I crazy?

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no, you are not crazy, and you are not alone. some other people are with you too.

the way to beat partypoker is to deposit $10000 (they will let you once you become a VIP player) into your new account, triple your initial deposit (exactly like you did the previously two times) and cashout before they turn on the "flop-burn" switch for you character (account).

though i have never personally attempted it (cause i have played winning poker for a hundred years at 100-200 level, but now i don't have a bankroll and need backing), others have had better luck.

good luck.

[eric5148]

bankrobber42:

I'd like to apologize on behalf of all the regular posters on these forums for their sarcasm.

The truth is, Party's random number generator is not perfectly random. The 4th and 5th street cards can be predicted with about 85% accuracy. To make these predictions, you will need what is called a "pattern map."

I won't bore you with the details, but a pattern map uses a complex formula using the flop and your hole cards, to determine the 4th and 5th street cards, based on a record of hundreds of thousands of hands.

All regular posters on 2+2 have pattern maps. They are needed if you wish to become a long term winner on Party.

If you're interested in getting a pattern map, you can PM me to negotiate a price (the normal price is in the low six figures). Or, you can write a 1000 word essay explaining why you deserve a pattern map for free.

Thank You,
Eric