Party $50 - big hand/big draw

#1 11-29-2005, 07:10 PM

Just got moved to this table 1 hand ago so I have no reads.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

saw flop|saw showdown

Hero (t1793)
CO (t1830)
Button (t585)
SB (t1470)
BB (t2330)
UTG (t745)
UTG+1 (t770)
MP1 (t3546)
MP2 (t5272)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
4 folds, Hero calls t30, CO calls t30, Button calls t30, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t150) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB bets t125, Hero raises to t325, CO raises t1800 (all in),Button folds, SB folds, BB raises t2175 (all in), Hero ???

I think it's a toss up between calling and folding here. If somebody else is in with the bigger flush draw most of my outs are gone. Against one opponent all my chips were going in but there are a lot of hands that have my draw in bad shape.

Exitonly · #2 11-29-2005, 07:13 PM

i think i'm calling there, but i'm too lazy ot get pokerstove to defend it.

#3 11-29-2005, 07:24 PM

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Just got moved to this table 1 hand ago so I have no reads.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

saw flop|saw showdown

Hero (t1793)
CO (t1830)
Button (t585)
SB (t1470)
BB (t2330)
UTG (t745)
UTG+1 (t770)
MP1 (t3546)
MP2 (t5272)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
4 folds, Hero calls t30, CO calls t30, Button calls t30, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t150) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB bets t125, Hero raises to t325, CO raises t1800 (all in),Button folds, SB folds, BB raises t2175 (all in), Hero ???

I think it's a toss up between calling and folding here. If somebody else is in with the bigger flush draw most of my outs are gone. Against one opponent all my chips were going in but there are a lot of hands that have my draw in bad shape.

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Consider also that the Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] may not be an out, even if you're not up against a higher flush draw. I deposit my lunch on my keyboard and fold.

ansky451 · #4 11-29-2005, 07:42 PM

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Just got moved to this table 1 hand ago so I have no reads.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

saw flop|saw showdown

Hero (t1793)
CO (t1830)
Button (t585)
SB (t1470)
BB (t2330)
UTG (t745)
UTG+1 (t770)
MP1 (t3546)
MP2 (t5272)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
4 folds, Hero calls t30, CO calls t30, Button calls t30, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t150) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB bets t125, Hero raises to t325, CO raises t1800 (all in),Button folds, SB folds, BB raises t2175 (all in), Hero ???

I think it's a toss up between calling and folding here. If somebody else is in with the bigger flush draw most of my outs are gone. Against one opponent all my chips were going in but there are a lot of hands that have my draw in bad shape.

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Consider also that the Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] may not be an out, even if you're not up against a higher flush draw. I deposit my lunch on my keyboard and fold.

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Um, the fact that 1 of his outs may not be an out is not a real concern. OMG he may have 14 outs instead of 15, wow. You basically gave no reason at all why you'd fold, or why you'd throw up on your keyboard.

I call this in a second, you wont be shown a higher flush draw here enough times to make this not profitable. A dream situation actually, would be if they both had 2 pairs or sets (although thats unlikely given the PF action). You have way too much equity to fold this spot.

#5 11-29-2005, 08:50 PM

I played the hand too quick and folded figuring somebody had to have a higher flush draw. CO insta push and the BB insta called. While I normally don't take how slow/fast players play into consideration I really figured one of them had Qh with the flush draw or a better draw.

They both showed me QTo for the same two pair and a river 8 would have given me the pot.