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Old 12-28-2005, 03:58 PM
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Default Big winners\' (jph0424, BZ, Josh) preflop....(stats...theory)

There was a very interesting stats post a while back where jph0424 and BZ and Josh all ended up posting their position stats and it inspired me to try to think a little more extensively about my starting hands selections.

Here is a chart I made from their data...with some guesses as to a safe PF default a less skilled postflop player might do well adopting...



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Old 12-28-2005, 04:03 PM
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Default Re: Big winners\' (jph0424, BZ, Josh) preflop....(stats...theory)

I dont have my exact numbers in front of me that I used to get these hands but I used Pokerstove and chose ranges I felt comfortable with and got this.

Using Pokerstove

UTG: A5s+, ATo+, K9s+, KTo+, Q9s+, QJo+, JTs+, 66+


MP: A4s+, A9o+, K8s+, KTo+, Q9s+, QTo+, J9s+, JTo+, T9s+, 66+


CO: A2s+, A8o+, K6s+, K9o+, Q8s+, QTo+, J8s+, JTo+, T9s+, 66+


Button: A2s+, A7o+, K5s+, K9o+, Q7s+, Q9o+, J8s+, JTo+, 98s+, 55+

I'm not totally sure but I think i was attempting to make an all-open raising chart to use as a safe default for playing in games where I dont have any stats or background with the palyers...

Obviously using Pokerstove ## in a 6-max environment is gonna be flawed....

My question is how would you go about modifying these ranges for 6-max open raising?

Which hands would you add and which would you remove? Or what parts of the range would you tighten up and which parts would you loosen up?
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Old 12-28-2005, 04:04 PM
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Default Re: Big winners\' (jph0424, BZ, Josh) preflop....(stats...theory)

link to original stats post
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Old 12-28-2005, 04:20 PM
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Default Re: Big winners\' (jph0424, BZ, Josh) preflop....(stats...theory)

BTW I know all the arguments against using a chart but I'm such a lag by nature if I just go by feel--31/23 or so--that I am hoping to use a chart to tighten the screws down a little bit and get back on track.
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Old 12-28-2005, 06:02 PM
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Default Re: Big winners\' (jph0424, BZ, Josh) preflop....(stats...theory)

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BTW I know all the arguments against using a chart but I'm such a lag by nature if I just go by feel--31/23 or so--that I am hoping to use a chart to tighten the screws down a little bit and get back on track.

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Just look at the polls I made (they are in small stakes shorthand) What you have is blatently loose and tight in different spots.

Krishan
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Old 12-29-2005, 10:20 AM
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Default Re: Big winners\' (jph0424, BZ, Josh) preflop....(stats...theory)

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CO: A2s+, A8o+, K6s+, K9o+, Q8s+, QTo+, J8s+, JTo+, T9s+, 66+

Button: A2s+, A7o+, K5s+, K9o+, Q7s+, Q9o+, J8s+, JTo+, 98s+, 55+


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A8o from Co sounds very tight and also i think i can add some more hands from CO

Same with Button A7o and K9o i think it's possible to add a lot more hands in thease possisions
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Old 12-29-2005, 02:43 PM
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Default Re: Big winners\' (jph0424, BZ, Josh) preflop....(stats...theory)

I think most SH players are open raising 66 UTG, some even open raising 55 or 44. I think most of the suggestions are way too tight for SH 10/20+
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