1/2 TPTK laydown

felson · #1 08-07-2004, 01:29 PM

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 max, 6 handed)

saw flop|saw showdown

Button ($108.75)
SB ($73.40)
BB ($203.05)
UTG ($121.40)
MP ($82.40)
Hero ($298.20)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls $2, MP raises to $4, Hero calls $4, 2 folds, BB calls $2, UTG calls $2.

Flop: ($17) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, MP checks, Hero bets $16, BB calls $16, UTG raises to $32, MP folds, Hero raises to $60, BB calls $44, UTG raises to $117.4 (All-In), Hero folds, BB calls $57.40.

Turn: ($311.80) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($311.80) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $311.80
Main Pot: $311.80, between BB and UTG.

mctommy015 · #2 08-07-2004, 02:32 PM

he limped in, then called your raise. he probably has a set. after you reraise, and then he pushes, i'd say its safe to fold

FrankLu99 · #3 08-08-2004, 04:50 PM

For both your opponents a set is possible, IMHO TP+fl draw is likely too (maybe more probable). I can see a set or nut flush + straight draw (A4clubs) or AKclubs being played this way.

I am not sure if you committed enough to call utg's raise but I would hate to call UTG's bet and see BB move allin behind me with a better hand or a hand that hits (on the later streets).

My guess is that your hand was best on the flop and that BB had TP and UTG had some type of draw (quite possibly the flush draw unless they do crazy stuff and raise with 45s utg). a fold is conservative IMO but coud be a good fold given your read on the style of the other players.

but what do i know, i barely play NL anymore

warlockjd · #4 08-08-2004, 06:34 PM

Not reraising preflop to at least $10 is criminal IMO.

PokerFink · #5 08-08-2004, 11:24 PM

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Not reraising preflop to at least $10 is criminal IMO.

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Agreed. AKs in the CO is about as good as it gets. Re-raise and isolate the original raiser.

As for you're flop play, I think it's a good laydown.

felson · #6 08-09-2004, 01:13 AM

I usually reraise here, but have been experimenting with flat calling here lately. Some other posters have observed that if you flat call with AK preflop, you'll get more action postflop from weak A's and K's who won't put you on AK since you limped. I also don't mind letting in worse hearts in so that I can bust them if I make the nut flush. So I'm not convinced that calling is so bad.

Girazze · #7 08-09-2004, 01:49 AM

I have to agree with this as well. A raise pre-flop is definitely warranted with AKs. I'd have to say that you will lose more times than win limping in with AK. Thin out the herd.

cornell2005 · #8 08-09-2004, 02:14 PM

6 handed, AKs in the CO after a min raise, a re-raise is far far from a necessity. if the table has poor players ill call, if they are better ill reraise. '

the flop reraise seems silly. was that a value raise, information raise, what? a reraise followed by a fold is a very bad combo here

felson · #9 08-09-2004, 03:09 PM

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the flop reraise seems silly. was that a value raise, information raise, what? a reraise followed by a fold is a very bad combo here

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Hmm, now that is an interesting point. I suppose I didn't know how to play the hand. I disliked flat calling because of the flush draw, but I wasn't eager to get all my money in and see a set either, especially since I was looking at two opponents who had already put in a lot of money. But the min limp-reraise followed by the all-in sure looks like a big hand trying to trap.

Let's see... if I flat call and see a club on the turn, I can fold with a clean conscience, although I would feel like I hadn't charged the draw. If a blank falls on the turn, then I still have a decision to make.

How would you play the hand?

JrJordan · #10 08-09-2004, 03:32 PM

Tough spot here, let's see what we can do:

Preflop: MP minraises, and you smooth call? You gotta reraise this to around $12. By just smooth calling you give all sorts of hands the odds to draw out on you. Limit this field to 1-2 opponents and your TPTK will hold up way more often.

Flop: TPTK on a semi-coordinated board. I pot sized bet here is fine. Personally, I like to bet around 3/4 pot instead, but that's just personal preference. Keeps me less pot committed when I get checkraised like this. UTG is screaming that he has a made hand with a min check/raise after your pot sized bet and a cold caller. What that hand is I'm not sure. A bigger raise preflop could knock out a weak straight/flush draw. The only possible hands I can think of are 22 or 33 for the flopped set. How does UTG usually play? Is he LAG enough to go all in with KQ, thinking his hand is good because you didn't raise PF? The other issue here is the BB. His cold call on both your bet and the two reraises is either another monster, or more likely a flush draw. Regarding your reraise; any bet here makes UTG pot committed, so you know he'll be going all in. The question is whether you're willing to committ as well. If you're going to lay down to a UTG reraise all in, then you might as well just call or fold after the checkraise. If you're going to committ, then call his all in and try to build a side pot with BB's flush draw.