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#11
09-03-2005, 02:11 PM
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Re: Capping the flop with the nut flush draw? (boring)
Capping makes sense when you've got more than one opponent. Period. The more involved, the more sense it makes.
Reads mean nothing, since you're seeing the river no matter. 
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#13
09-03-2005, 02:26 PM
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Re: Capping the flop with the nut flush draw? (boring)
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Did you not see that UTG limp/reraised us here? I am not comfortable with my ace or king outs. [/ QUOTE ] Neither am I. I believe the clubs are your only outs. [ QUOTE ] Reads would be helpful from OP. (ie. is BB a total donk or could he be sitting on a set here?) [/ QUOTE ] I believe you are right on, unless he also has clubs.
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#14
09-03-2005, 02:31 PM
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Re: Capping the flop with the nut flush draw? (boring)
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This is why reads are soooo important to playing hands. [/ QUOTE ] With the players playing this bad, I believe "reads" go out the window as being worthless. [ QUOTE ] With no reads I think capping is a clear mistake, with these in mind though, it's not terrible. [/ QUOTE ] I believe he has a read. The player who open-limped UTG and then re-raised. If he doesn't have AA, then it's AK
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#15
09-03-2005, 02:33 PM
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Re: Capping the flop with the nut flush draw? (boring)
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Neither am I. I believe the clubs are your only outs. [/ QUOTE ] Did you read my post with reads? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] The only time he showed down a limp/re-raise he had AJo.
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#16
09-03-2005, 02:35 PM
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Re: Capping the flop with the nut flush draw? (boring)
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[ QUOTE ] Reads would be helpful from OP. (ie. is BB a total donk or could he be sitting on a set here?) [/ QUOTE ] Read on UTG UTG joined the table after I sat down. He bought in short at 132.50 (telling me it's his whole account balance). He posted BB as the CO on his first hand. He did show down a limp re-raise once and showed J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. Though he check-called when he missed the flop. His VPIP was 64%. Read on BB BB a donk. He had a stat of 54% VPIP. He started the hand shortstacked with $61.19 that seemed to be all he had. Here is a good example of his donkish-ness. He is the <font color="red">small blind</font> in this hand: Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 max, 4 handed) converter Preflop: Hero is BB with 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. UTG posts a blind of $4. UTG (poster) checks, Button calls, SB completes, Hero checks. Flop: (4.33 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks, Button checks. Turn: (2.16 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks, Button checks. River: (2.16 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, SB calls, Hero folds, UTG folds. Final Pot: 4.16 BB Results below: SB has 6c 9h (one pair, jacks). <font color="red"> Why did he call the river with nine high?</font> Button has Ah 6s (one pair, jacks). Outcome: Button wins 4.16 BB. [/ QUOTE ] Im curious why you didn't bet the turn here.
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#17
09-03-2005, 02:39 PM
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the \"other hand\"
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Im curious why you didn't bet the turn here. [/ QUOTE ] With a 2BB pot, it's not profitable to bet 1BB here. If anyone had a 7 or a J, they weren't likely to bet them on the flop, but they may call or raise here. Thinking players might bluff-raise forcing me to fold and I don't even have position to take a free showdown. Let's say someone with AJ calls. I check the river and he bets. Then what? I probably would have called the river had the SB not called.
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#18
09-03-2005, 02:42 PM
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Re: Capping the flop with the nut flush draw? (boring)
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If you're talking about pre-flop the cap is good because often the limp reraise is with suited connectors or trash, and there are other players involved who likely have trash that we are thrashing. [/ QUOTE ] I agree with everything you said in your post except this. I find it hard to believe (as I can't remember seeing, first hand, a player re-raise EP with suited connectors preflop, much less trash.)that UTG re-raised preflop with KQs against only two opponents. Unless, the players are so bad, he figures they either have Ax, with x being less than a Q, or he has two overcards to whatever they have. Isn't he just reducing his implied odds by re-raising preflop? Now, Hero just recently arrived at the game, so it could be that he considers him as nothing but another fish.
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#19
09-03-2005, 02:52 PM
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Re: Capping the flop with the nut flush draw? (boring)
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Im curious why you didn't bet the turn here. [/ QUOTE ] I believe, that in situations like this, you make more money ck/calling with weak hands like this, then getting out of line. It accomplishes a lot more, even if you don't win the hand. I would have called the river for the purpose of declaring what I called the river with, not with the expectation of winning.
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#20
09-03-2005, 02:56 PM
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Re: Capping the flop with the nut flush draw? (boring)
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[ QUOTE ] Neither am I. I believe the clubs are your only outs. [/ QUOTE ] Did you read my post with reads? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] The only time he showed down a limp/re-raise he had AJo. [/ QUOTE ] No, I did not read that post before replying. You were in a very juicy game. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]
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