taking crap at the table (saturday night brantford 20/40)

stinkypete · #1 04-10-2005, 07:23 PM

are we young kids always met with so much hostility in this game? i've never taken so much crap while attempting to have a good time at the poker table.

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some 30-something guy (who had been drinking) asked to see one of my hands on the river that i would have preferred to muck. i looked up to see who wanted to see my cards and the guy started going off, telling me that i had an attitude problem and shouldn't be so damn cocky, etc. (i certainly didn't give him a dirty look, though i probably wasn't smiling either.) i attempted to explain that it's generally considered rude to ask to see mucked cards unless you suspect somebody of collusion, which was obviously a mistake, as it triggered him to go off on me for another couple of minutes. he told me i should go to vegas and play in the low-limit games and that i should play heads up against the gentleman in the white shirt next to me. i'm not sure what point he was trying to make, but i got that he was trying to tell me that i'm a terrible poker player. he kept making comments about how retarded i was for being so aggressive. every time i open raised some smartass comment was made.

#2: some old lawyer guy decided to berate me to the entire table for taking my AK to the river in a heads up pot. (i called a 5-bet preflop, 1 bet on the flop and turn before hitting my king on the river against a predictable opponent who didn't bluff but overplayed a ton of hands.) "he can't lay down a hand, maybe i should try not laying anything down". his smartass comments continued for the rest of the night. earlier in the night i had attempted to make a joke about how he was too confident when he said "raise" during a blind steal so the big blind and i in the small blind were scared off. he went off about me being an "expert" or something, basically implying that i was a complete moron.

#3: the "professional". i kindly informed the player to my right when i was dealt my first big blind that i don't chop in the blinds, and of course he asks me, so that the whole table can hear, "are you professional?" in a joking way. i didn't really mind this, and got a good laugh at the irony at the time. some of the other players caught on, and i was referred to as "the professional" for much of the night. eventually it got extremely sarcastic and hostile, and it got old pretty quick. i'm not really sure what was supposedly so funny about it.

do these players have issues with people that don't chop the blinds? (it's not a raked game, for the record.) do they just not like aggression? or do they just hate us young world poker tour wannabe punks? they certainly don't seem to have any problems with the "real pros" who don't chop in the blinds.

generally, the really bad players are welcomed. if i'm such a terrible poker player, why do they give me so much crap?

i don't really mind being thought of us a retard, but i'll only be able to take a some finite amount of crap before i go off on these jerks.

do you young guys out there take a lot of crap when you play in "the big game"? how do you deal with it?

miajag81 · #2 04-10-2005, 07:41 PM

I saw the title of this post and thought it said "Taking a crap at the table"...I was ready to reply that I think this is frowned upon in most casinos.

Anyway, yes, old people think they know everything. They suck.

Dynasty · #3 04-10-2005, 07:42 PM

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...i attempted to explain that it's generally considered rude to ask to see mucked cards unless you suspect somebody of collusion

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...earlier in the night i had attempted to make a joke about how he was too confident when he said "raise" during a blind steal so the big blind and i in the small blind were scared off.

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You're explaining rules and joking about how your opponents play. So, you need to learn how to shut your own mouth before asking how to get others to shut theirs.

Homer · #4 04-10-2005, 07:48 PM

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...i attempted to explain that it's generally considered rude to ask to see mucked cards unless you suspect somebody of collusion

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...earlier in the night i had attempted to make a joke about how he was too confident when he said "raise" during a blind steal so the big blind and i in the small blind were scared off.

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You're explaining rules and joking about how your opponents play. So, you need to learn how to shut your own mouth before asking how to get others to shut theirs.

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The first quote is perfectly fine. Someone asked to see his cards, he said no and explained why.

soah · #5 04-10-2005, 07:57 PM

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I saw the title of this post and thought it said "Taking a crap at the table"

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Me too.

stinkypete · #6 04-10-2005, 07:57 PM

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You're explaining rules and joking about how your opponents play. So, you need to learn how to shut your own mouth before asking how to get others to shut theirs.

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i personally don't see a problem with explaining the collusion "rule" to someone that is unaware. in fact, i don't see a problem with explaining any rules to people that don't understand them. why is that such a terrible thing? i'll admit that in this case it probably would have made more sense to just sit back and shut up, which i did attempt to do, but the guy kept yapping and prompting me to respond, and i eventually responded in the most appropriate way i could think of at the time.

and for the record, it wasn't my intent to joke about how others were playing, but to joke about how i was playing. ie. i was joking about folding because i was scared. i worded my first post poorly. you're right though, i probably would have been better off simply saying that i was scared, rather than specifying that the raiser scared me off. it was clear that it was light hearted though, and i wasn't the only one joking around. if i'd known that the raiser had beef with me in the first place, i would have said nothing. any reasonable person would have seen my joke as just that, with no ill intentions at all.

Dynasty · #7 04-10-2005, 08:28 PM

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You're explaining rules and joking about how your opponents play. So, you need to learn how to shut your own mouth before asking how to get others to shut theirs.

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i personally don't see a problem with explaining the collusion "rule" to someone that is unaware. in fact, i don't see a problem with explaining any rules to people that don't understand them. why is that such a terrible thing?

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Based on your post, it appears that your opponent believes he understands the rules of the game. He doesn't want some other player coming along an explaining things to him.

It doesn't matter whether your opponent actually knows the rule or not. It doesn't matter whether he was right or you were right. What matters is that he doesn't want to be taught by you what the rules are or how to play the game.

When you start giving instructions at the table, you have to expect it to annoy other players- especially if they've been playing the game for many years.

OBEYtehkitten · #8 04-10-2005, 08:30 PM

white chip says this kid wears sunglasses at the table.

Dynasty · #9 04-10-2005, 08:31 PM

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The first quote is perfectly fine. Someone asked to see his cards, he said no and explained why.

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He's not allowed to say no (and I don't think he did).

And, explaining the rules to other players is a quick way to get people upset at you.

stinkypete · #10 04-10-2005, 08:56 PM

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He's not allowed to say no (and I don't think he did).

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i didn't say no. the cards were in front of the dealer by the time the player asked to see them and the dealer showed my hand to everyone, as he should.

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And, explaining the rules to other players is a quick way to get people upset at you.

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i understand this now. these guys that "have been playing since [i was] in diapers" don't want to have anything related to the game explained to them by the punk kid. it was a mistake. whether they do or not in actuality, in their minds they know far more than i do, and doing anything to suggest otherwise is just asking for trouble.

how do you suggest i handle this situation? not saying anything wouldn't have solved the problem, as the guy who was scolding me would have seen it as the cocky/arrogant thing to do. i suppose i could have apologized and said that i didn't realize i was acting inappropriately (by looking at him), though i'm sure he would have just seen it as a smartass remark.

i'd really prefer not to have them ask to see my cards constantly, though. my hands were pretty much the only ones that anyone was asking to see. (and for what it's worth, nobody asked to see my hand after the confrontation)