CO open raising standards (Poll)

[einbert]

For everyone saying "it depends on how tight the blinds are", I think you are wrong. I will happily play the more marginal hands on this list (with the exceptions of the baby pocket pairs) against very loose blinds, particularly if they are passive. But when the button will coldcall with a wide array of hands, that really makes me tighten up in the CO.

[Monty Cantsin]

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Should i click even if it's sometimes? with tight blinds I;ll open 78s - but not if blinds are loose. Is this a "folded to you, you ALWAYS open raise" poll?

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You only check your defaults.



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This is a huge grey area.

Very few of these are 100% defaults for me. But I would raise many of them more often then not.

Card strength is a big factor of the decision function for raising, but for a lot of these hands the difference in card strength isn't big enough to justify making one a default and one not.

Of course you should always be slightly more likely to raise J9 than J7 because it has that bit of extra card strength and that gets plugged into the decision function.

But if you were to say that you always raise J9 and not J7 in a certain situation (eg. opening from the CO against unknowns), then I would say that you were not giving enough weight to the other factors that get plugged into that function.

If you were to do that you would essentially be using that little bit of card strength difference as a randomizing function to properly mix up your stealing. But there are so many more important and useful factors for this purpose.

I'm thinking specifically of rhythm - the pattern and frequency of your raises and the general momentum of the table's short term history. This factor will often overwhelm the card strength difference between a lot of these hands for me.

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Am I the only guy raising J7s??

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yes

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I think i should be dropping 22 and 33 in consideration of metagame issues, as my steal is a bit high at the moment (i.e. over 30), and would like to reduce it slightly. The only position i'm losing money in at the moment [sample warning] is the CO and that's probably due to a few too many loose steals.

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Raising 22 and 33 from CO is pretty clearly a leak.

Krishan

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FE & showdown value

[krishanleong]

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I think i should be dropping 22 and 33 in consideration of metagame issues, as my steal is a bit high at the moment (i.e. over 30), and would like to reduce it slightly. The only position i'm losing money in at the moment [sample warning] is the CO and that's probably due to a few too many loose steals.

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Raising 22 and 33 from CO is pretty clearly a leak.

Krishan

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FE & showdown value

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Do you suppose I don't understand these concepts? And that by reminding me of them I'll come to realize that I'm missing out on value?

Or is it that I've considered this, and a few more things you haven't considered and think folding is the best play?

Krishan

[imported_CaseClosed326]

RAISE EVERYTHING 100% ASB!!!!!!!

[damaniac]

There's a good argument for folding those hands, but to say it is pretty clearly a leak is, I think, a bit presumptuous. Are you saying raising as a default is a leak? Or doing it often? At all?

[krishanleong]

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There's a good argument for folding those hands, but to say it is pretty clearly a leak is, I think, a bit presumptuous. Are you saying raising as a default is a leak? Or doing it often? At all?

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I'm saying raising as a default is clearly a leak. If you raise this more than 50% from the cutoff i think you are losing money.

If you are very very selective, I think you'll still be a loser with it. I'd rather raise 78s against tight blinds than 22.

Given that most low limit opponents tend towards playing too many hands and going to far with them, we are really at a strategic disadvantage with 22.

Krishan

[krishanleong]

Here is a list sorted of the hands people are raising most frequently. If you are looking to add hands, hopefully this
list will help.

Number of votes - Hand
75 77
74 QTs
73 K9s
73 KJo
73 66
73 A7s
71 QJo
69 KTo
69 55
68 A6s
67 JTo
67 T9s
66 J9s
63 A5s
62 QTo
62 A7o
59 fold
58 Q9s
51 44
51 A4s
46 K8s
42 A6o
40 A2s
39 K9o
39 A3s
38 98s
33 T8s
31 A5o
25 Q8s
24 33
22 K7s
20 J8s
17 Q9o
14 raise
14 87s
13 A4o
13 J9o
12 A3o
12 A2o
8 97s
8 K8o
6 K6s
4 Q7s
3 86s
3 J7s
2 22
1 Q8o
1 J8o
0 J7o

Krishan

[LoaferGee12]

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59 fold




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Hmm. Also, who is folding KJo here??