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#1
10-27-2005, 09:04 PM
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Middle pair against a TAG, crowd on the flop.
How's my line? I haven't seen this player get out of line at all. They are TAG and I suspect a MTer. Would you rather C/C down after the flop? These are the kinds of hands I feel like I play well when I'm "on" but I'll let you be the judge.
FTR converter on zerodivide.cx Preflop: BigEndian is MP3 with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BigEndian calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, BigEndian calls. Flop: (9.50 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">BigEndian bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, BigEndian calls. Turn: (6.75 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">BigEndian bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, BigEndian folds... - Jim 
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#2
10-27-2005, 09:35 PM
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Re: Middle pair against a TAG, crowd on the flop.
Some TAGs are so aggressive with unimproved overcards that I probably would check-call down after the flop.
If I wanted to be more aggressive, though, I think I'd 3-bet the flop and go from there.
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#3
10-27-2005, 09:37 PM
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Re: Middle pair against a TAG, crowd on the flop.
i'd rather have 3-bet this flop. if the turn goes bet/raise again i'd feel better about the fold.
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#4
10-27-2005, 09:39 PM
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Re: Middle pair against a TAG, crowd on the flop.
[ QUOTE ]
Some TAGs are so aggressive with unimproved overcards that I probably would check-call down after the flop. If I wanted to be more aggressive, though, I think I'd 3-bet the flop and go from there. [/ QUOTE ] I agree! [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]
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#5
10-27-2005, 09:59 PM
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Re: Middle pair against a TAG, crowd on the flop.
That's a good point. But does a player have to be a rock to take the line I took? Unless he just spews, I don't think the turn raise is anything less than a pair. My line has to look like a PP or an idiot with an Ace and he hasn't seen me make any big folds.
- Jim
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#6
10-27-2005, 10:01 PM
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Re: Middle pair against a TAG, crowd on the flop.
If we checkcall down after the flop we let villain have as much as 6 outs in a 7BB pot. I think most TAGs won't raise with a hand like AQo again after a stop'n go.
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#7
10-27-2005, 10:27 PM
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Re: Middle pair against a TAG, crowd on the flop.
[ QUOTE ]
That's a good point. But does a player have to be a rock to take the line I took? Unless he just spews, I don't think the turn raise is anything less than a pair. My line has to look like a PP or an idiot with an Ace and he hasn't seen me make any big folds. - Jim [/ QUOTE ] The turn fold seems fine to me. If this is higher than 5/10, though, then I don't know. (And, actually, I'm still getting used to the increased aggression at 5/10.)
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#8
10-27-2005, 11:03 PM
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Re: Middle pair against a TAG, crowd on the flop.
I posted yesterday a few questions on this hand type.
One thing that came across unanimously was that this hand is a preflop raise. This combined with the 3 bet suggested post flop would seem to have given you more information to make the turn decision.
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#10
10-28-2005, 07:06 AM
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Re: Middle pair against a TAG, crowd on the flop.
Sometimes I raise this pre-flop, sometimes I don't. You don't feel like TAG, straight-forward, potential MTer is enough information that I need to put more bets in to define my hand with this board?
- Jim
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