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09-22-2005, 06:29 PM
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How can I best take advantage of this oddly-structured 4/8 game?
Hey guys,
I found this game b&m, but the b&m guys told me to toss it out to you... So anyways, this weekend I went into the city to play some b&m. I found this really juicy 4-8 game (actually the casino only spreads 4-8, and all of them are pretty weak). but the blinds are only 1-2, initial raise is up to 6 with a cap at 14. So with the blinds at 1-2 in a 4-8 game, are there any strategic adjustments I should make/consider when getting into the hand for a quarter of a bet? After the flop everything else proceeds as normal, $4 flop bets and $8 turn/river bets. What came to mind initially is that pre-flop my implied odds go up, as I am investing only a quarter of a bet to win half and full bets. Also, my odds on the flop are cut down, as the pot only contains quarter bets and I have to call half bets to draw. I do not know, however if this should alter any "normal play", and i thought I would throw it out and see if you guys had any suggestions. Here is a link to some similar discussion: link I thought you guys might have some thoughts/suggestions to add. Thanks, GS 
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09-22-2005, 06:44 PM
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Re: How can I best take advantage of this oddly-structured 4/8 game?
Hi.
The opposite of what seems intuitive is true. Small antes/blinds in relation to the stakes require tighter play not looser. Your opponents will be anxious to play "so cheaply" and limp with utter trash and raise with easily dominated hands. The way to counteract this is to play the hands that dominate them, play them aggressively and try to isolate weak players. An irony of super LAGs is that you seem to get implied odds to play the trash they are playing, but you will pay them off when they have a hand. Watch for their flop and post-flop play, they may be goofy pf but play well post flop and you will have a hard time putting them on a hand. Limiting yourself to premium starters avoids tricky situations, as they will have to catch very lucky while you also catch. Good Luck -ZEN
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09-22-2005, 06:53 PM
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Re: How can I best take advantage of this oddly-structured 4/8 game?
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I believe you should be playing very tight preflop. [/ QUOTE ] Ummm....well said -ZEN
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#5
09-22-2005, 07:01 PM
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Re: How can I best take advantage of this oddly-structured 4/8 game?
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I believe you should be playing very tight preflop. [/ QUOTE ] Huh? what the? Tight? If the Ante is small comparitive to the pot then you should play looser not tighter. If everyone is limping in for the $2 I suggest limping in with all the standard hands + suited connecters T9s-43s, T8s-53s, T7s-85s. In multiway pots, with such a low come in charge, this is a must! If you don't understand this logic read TOP JT [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
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#6
09-22-2005, 07:54 PM
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Re: How can I best take advantage of this oddly-structured 4/8 game?
If you can get in cheap preflop, go ahead and loosen up your normal standards.
Mid to high pocket pairs in early position, need to be raised to drive people out. Refer back to previous comment about it being $6 to call after a raise. Post flop, remember to adjust to the larger bet size when calculating your pot odds. Value bet often. There will be a lot of weak kickers staying in to the very end because they got in cheap preflop.
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#7
09-22-2005, 08:22 PM
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Re: How can I best take advantage of this oddly-structured 4/8 game?
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[ QUOTE ] I believe you should be playing very tight preflop. [/ QUOTE ] Huh? what the? Tight? If the Ante is small comparitive to the pot then you should play looser not tighter. If everyone is limping in for the $2 I suggest limping in with all the standard hands + suited connecters T9s-43s, T8s-53s, T7s-85s. In multiway pots, with such a low come in charge, this is a must! If you don't understand this logic read TOP JT [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] Dude, check this out. You're button with T9s, 3 people limp, you call, sb calls, bb checks (pot size is 12$). The flop comes out giving you an open-ended straight draw, but it is rainbow, and not of your suit, so you only have 8 outs. The sb bets, everyone folds to you. Your pot odds are only 4:1 and you initially had 6 people in the pot. You still think you should play a whole slew of drawing hands?
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#8
09-22-2005, 08:31 PM
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Re: How can I best take advantage of this oddly-structured 4/8 game?
The answer is straight out of TOP. If the amount to invest to see cards is small compared to the final pot size, you play loose preflop. That's the case here. A very cheap initial betting round. You're effectively getting to play multi-way hands for 1/4BB instead of 1/2BB as in normal holdem.
People here are saying "play tight" because TOP says play tight if the blinds are small relative to the pot. That's only true though if the bet size is normal size. For example, $2 big blind, but $4 to call to see the flop would require tight play. TOP even mentions this exact exception to the small ante rule. Play loose with multiway hands, but unlike normal holdem, be prepared to dump them due to poor pot odds when they only partially hit. However, your implied odds when they do hit are enormous.
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#9
09-22-2005, 10:32 PM
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Re: How can I best take advantage of this oddly-structured 4/8 game?
hahahahaha.
[ QUOTE ] Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I believe you should be playing very tight preflop. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Huh? what the? Tight? If the Ante is small comparitive to the pot then you should play looser not tighter. If everyone is limping in for the $2 I suggest limping in with all the standard hands + suited connecters T9s-43s, T8s-53s, T7s-85s. In multiway pots, with such a low come in charge, this is a must! If you don't understand this logic read TOP JT -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dude, check this out. You're button with T9s, 3 people limp, you call, sb calls, bb checks (pot size is 12$). The flop comes out giving you an open-ended straight draw, but it is rainbow, and not of your suit, so you only have 8 outs. The sb bets, everyone folds to you. Your pot odds are only 4:1 and you initially had 6 people in the pot. You still think you should play a whole slew of drawing hands? [/ QUOTE ] Well everything seems worse in 'the worst case scenario' If you have yet to realise the value of drawing hands in their perfect situation, you have much to learn. Once again read TOP, but evn without this book, this theory surely seems obvious? Surely I'm not alone in this idea? JT [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
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