Trying to break away from 'the rules'

[Yeti]

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If you are gonna fold here postflop, you definitely should just go ahead with your "read" of "wreaking" of AA preflop, and fold preflop.

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Why?

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Otherwise, are you seeing a flop with 22 here also (for set value).

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Of course?

[Rounder9999]

In this situation I'm not laying this hand down on the flop or on the turn ever. I wouldn't worry if you consider this sloppy, you're fine.

[BobboFitos]

observe

formulate

analyze

apply

repeat

[BobboFitos]

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Hey Yeti,

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the 'don't look to fold sets w/ 100xbb rule'

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Which page of the rulebook is this on? I'm pretty sure that I haven't seen it in my copy...

ML4L

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sorry mike it's on my copy, you're welcome to borrow it!

but i assyre you i need it back at somepoint, im lost w/p it

[Matt Flynn]

He gets my money.

[Ulysses]

I get it all in on this hand and don't give it a second thought if he has AA.

[mikech]

I would insta-fold this without much thought at all. You do not make money in Texas Hold'em by putting your whole stack in with the second-nuts and no redraws. I love playing against guys who are always like "haha, I have middle set, I will call." Easy money. Guys who know how to make a solid fold here are much tougher opponents.

[muzungu]

yeti-

One thing i have never understood is why people describe these situations as a choice between "getting away from it" and "going broke". If you have a big hand and villain is doing all sorts of fancy play shenanigans, it is perfectly ok to let him keep the lead in the hand. A lot of these are way ahead/way behind situations, so feel free to call him all the way down, or check behind the turn, or whatever is gonna manage the pot to your liking. Some times he will win, sometimes you will win, but you have more choices than you are admitting.

To put it another way: your goal is to maximise ($I get when i win * % of the time I win) - ($ he gets when I lose * % of the time I lose). So, make some reads in terms of his hand range, plug them into the formula, and go from there.

As for this hand, I am gonna go broke, but perhaps not in the way you did.

-muz

[Lucky]

You're gonna go broke with this hand most times, no doubt. As Muz said you can slow way down, just call, etc.

Bottom line, as long as you're not playing fearful, and always seeing monsters, you can trust your gut when you think you're behind in set under set situation. With hand like this one, don't let your 'manhood' or "Twoplustwo reputation' force you to go against your read.

Tonight for example, I won two big pots flush over flush. The stacks were about 125bb in both situations. I bet huge on end and both times with nut flush, opponents took much time, one even commenting "oh bleep, here you go!" Now obviously they shouldnt have been drawing to small flushes, but finding themselves in those circumstances, they could have laid it down to the all in bet on end and didn't.

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You do not make money in OMAHA by putting your whole stack in with the second-nuts and no redraws.

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FYP =D

Get it all in however you can here, and curse your bad luck if he has AA, rebuy and carry on.