RAYMER...not so good?

[Sponger15SB]

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Gregs' tournament cashes

Do your critics have as many cashes as Mr. Fossilman? The word on the street is that he has been a winning player for a number of years in the Foxwoods higher limit games.

As far as your shot at Moneymaker his record the last two years is pretty good.

MoneyMakers' record

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With the exception of greg's WSOP win, his record is hardly impressive.

Obviously my argument there sucks, but whatever.

[Greg (FossilMan)]

Well, I won't bother to say whether I'm any good or not. However, in 12 years of playing poker, I've yet to book a losing year. And I keep full records of every session of poker I play. And the last 6 of those 12 years were while I lived in CT and mostly played at Foxwoods.

Believe it, or not!

Later, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)

[theRealMacoy]

greg,

you are a class act...through and through!
i wish you all the best in the upcoming tournaments.

cheers,
the Real Macoy

[coffeecrazy1]

Greg, from reading the posts on this thread, I'd say your reputation remains very solid, both as a player and a human being.

Anyone who makes it through ~2600 people cannot be just lucky, to say nothing of the level of competition in those 2600. Almost everyone who qualifies online for the big tournament is a good player already.

As for Moneymaker, I would say that he is a different player now than when he won the WSOP(much better now), but he was not bad then. Just because he had the fairy-tale last name for the tournament does not nullify the fact that he was a good player then, and is now a very good player.

I make none of the above claims about Varkonyi 2.0. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

[M2d]

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However, in 12 years of playing poker, I've yet to book a losing year

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win the first session and hang it up for the year? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

obviously, I'm joking. the advice you've given on this forum has always been top notch. Also, I may be the only one who remembers this, but years ago, there was a thread about which posters are or have the potential to be "world class". iirc, your name was thrown into the ring by either Oz or Mason. I've searched for the thread, but can't find it, so maybe I am imagining it.

[dogmeat]

It's funny how many players dismiss another's talent, regardless of specific results. I was sitting in a tournament at the WSOP with two professional players (both of whom are 10-year+ veterans) and they were laughing about Greg (they referred to him as "the dweeb") as well as Moneymaker and Varkonyi. The fact is, the two players at my table are very good players, and I respect their ability, but it just sounds like sour grapes to me. Neither of these players has a WSOP bracelet [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img], and they were basicly slumming in one of the $220 tournaments (with me, another slum bum).

I admit that after being in many tournaments over the years I know that sometimes a player runs hot, and that has a lot to do with final table appearances, but in my humble opinion, you gotta win one semi-major tournament to talk chit, and you have to win a second to prove the first wasn't an accident.

In other words, I don't really listen to what is said by anybody that doesn't have that first win, and I hold my opinion about a player that has won one - until they win a second, although with someone like Greg, even if he never won another WSOP tournament, the fact that he has been among the chip leaaders on second and third days of other tournaments ceratinly says something. I talked to Greg a few days ago, and he had no idea who I was (why should he), and he was very nice. I also watched some fans come by and ask for photos, photo with wife etc. and Greg was very accomodating - this too is the sign of a true professional, and a true champion.

Does Moneymaker win in side games? Poker is a game that allows you to hide you loses, and inflate you wins if that happens to be you inclination. Who knows. He's still playing in upper limit games, right?

Sorry for rambling, but if you talk the talk, you gotta walk the walk.

Dogmeat [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

[slavic]

Greg -

Why reply to this stuff? I realize that I’m just an anonymous poker pro, but in my standard ring game play there are several players who are absolutely convinced that I lose substantial money. Some of those players make money and play in the style they have played in for decades, but what do I care if they think I’m a terrible player?

BTW, I do respect that they may be right and the only reason that I'm making significant money is that the games have been so good for so long. After all I haven't hit 3 years yet.

Thanks,
slavic

[burningyen]

I think Greg has legitimate reasons to defend his poker results, not the least of which is his upcoming book.

[b0000000000m]

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the advice you've given on this forum has always been top notch.

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Correction: the advice you gave on this forum was always top notch.

[Fitz]

Sure, any yo yo can beat the largest tourney field in history, win 5 million dollars, the title of World Champion and claim they know what they are doing!

Good luck,

Fitz