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Old 12-26-2005, 06:13 AM
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I think when a very good player is h/u against a very bad player, the bad player will need more luck to win at holdem.

That's because the good player will come into many hands in holdem without a made hand, as will the bad player. He will outplay the bad player more often than not when they both miss, and they miss more often than they hit.

In stud, the good player is playing as many, if not more, made hands than draws. The bad player in stud will run him down more with less luck and be able to put him on a hand easier.

All things being equal, and I knew the odds in my favor would hold up for that session against a bad player, I'd play stud. If I wasn't guaranteed anything, I'd play holdem. He'd need more luck to win than he would at stud.
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Old 12-26-2005, 07:38 AM
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I've played hold-em for the past four years. It took me almost two years before I felt comfortable with the game and before I was able to beat 10-20 games online. I started playing stud about six months ago and currently play a mixed 50-100 game hold-em/stud twice a week along with a 75-150 mixed game once a week. I have done very well in the games to this point but am wary of my results because of the high variance in Stud. However, the transition to Stud has been much smoother than I had anticipated. The game seems more intuitive and there seems to be much more information readily available than in hold-em. I also have a fairly good memory which has contributed to my success. There's also no question that playing and studying hold-em/poker psychology/reading people for the past four years has contributed greatly to my stud game but I still feel that if I had started with Stud, I would have progressed much more quickly than I have with hold-em. Honestly, I'm glad that I started with the "tougher" game or my poker game wouldn't be where it is today. Now if I could just figure out how to play Omaha 8 [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Old 12-26-2005, 12:15 PM
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Default Re: Stud vs Hold Em (My Theory)

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I remember back when AC was almost all Stud, and still, the fights broke out at the HE tables.

You will see a ton of middle/higher limit games of HE, but not many of Stud (I'm talking 100/200 and higher).

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As far as the Taj goes, both of these statements are wrong. The argueing and calling for the floor is done way more at the Stud games. That's my opinion. 90% of the time, the highest limit game being spread is always Stud. That's a fact.

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AC, and even moreso the Taj, is a world unto itself. I should have made that more clear last night. I've been going to bed early and was up later than normal.

The last time I talked to Cindy, she said the high limit Stud games were still very good in AC.

Even at the Taj, while I was there the fighting was at the HE tables, but we left in 2003, so my experience is both limited and dated.
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Old 12-28-2005, 12:09 PM
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Default Re: Stud vs Hold Em (My Theory)

Stud you have more information available to you. But the thing is, all the Hold 'Em monkeys don't have the attention span to remember the cards that have been folded, or to calculate all their outs.

They aren't used to all that information. They see A/K offsuit in the hole and they go nuts. Just like all the monkeys trying to play hands like A/K/9/7 rainbow in Omaha 8.

Hold 'Em has brought an awful lot of weak players into our world, including non-hold 'em tables. I'm happy for it. I was primarily a Study player before the Hold 'Em boom, and then I learned Omaha 8 after that.

A good limit Hold 'Em player makes about 1-2 BB's/100 hands from what I've seen. A good Omaha 8 limit player makes 4-5 BB's/100 hands. And the Pot Limit guys I've seen making 10 BB's or more in Omaha 8, although that game has a bit more risk involved because of the pot limits.

I find it extremely easy to multi-table Omaha hi/lo limit games and play on auto-pilot for an easy profit. It's not "glamorous" like Hold 'Em tournaments, and the payouts aren't as large. But the profits are more reliable/stable and I'm playing to make money, not gain fame.
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Old 12-28-2005, 10:08 PM
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Default Re: Stud vs Hold Em (low content)

I think Dannis just trying to sound lofty again. IMO, whether stud or hold'em is easier for any person depends on how well they can memorize cards. Though, I personally have found stud-8 easier (and more exciting) than hold'em, and hold'em easier than stud high.
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Old 12-28-2005, 11:28 PM
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A pound pound pound player will be toast in short handed stud game. But he'll be a big winner in short handed hold'em games.

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If the ante is high enough pounding is the way to go in any short handed game, especially the rock garden of high/mid limit stud...I just spent 4 days in Vegas pounding away in the 50-100 through 100-200 SH stud games to good effect.

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Old 12-28-2005, 11:34 PM
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I've played hold-em for the past four years. It took me almost two years before I felt comfortable with the game and before I was able to beat 10-20 games online. I started playing stud about six months ago and currently play a mixed 50-100 game hold-em/stud twice a week along with a 75-150 mixed game once a week. I have done very well in the games to this point but am wary of my results because of the high variance in Stud. However, the transition to Stud has been much smoother than I had anticipated. The game seems more intuitive and there seems to be much more information readily available than in hold-em. I also have a fairly good memory which has contributed to my success. There's also no question that playing and studying hold-em/poker psychology/reading people for the past four years has contributed greatly to my stud game but I still feel that if I had started with Stud, I would have progressed much more quickly than I have with hold-em. Honestly, I'm glad that I started with the "tougher" game or my poker game wouldn't be where it is today. Now if I could just figure out how to play Omaha 8 [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

-Tony

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Where do you play this game? Is it a casino or private game?

Thanks,
Carlos
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