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12-17-2005, 09:05 PM
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c\'r turn to save bets here?
playing a good game and a loose aggressive guy opens in EMP gets called by 3 people folded to me in the BB w/ AA i 3 bet he caps they all call
flop is Q95rb i bet out he raises all fold inexplicably to me and i call. turn is Tx i c'r ...good spot to c'r to save bets? Barron 
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#2
12-17-2005, 09:33 PM
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Re: c\'r turn to save bets here?
i think the concept would be better applied by check calling turn and check-raising river. I actualy like this line the best as it looks like AK and hes going to bet any pair on river, and your CR will confuse the crap out of him.
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#3
12-17-2005, 11:34 PM
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Re: c\'r turn to save bets here?
no, you have too many outs too often to fold the turn. it would make a lot more sense with AQ. when i have AA and it's headsup i'm not usually looking to save bets. also, i'd pump the flop. this is a good action flop. i would 3-bet, call a cap, and checkraise the turn (or bet if he didn't cap)
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#4
12-18-2005, 02:05 AM
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Re: c\'r turn to save bets here?
why are you not three betting this flop?
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#7
12-18-2005, 04:42 AM
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Re: c\'r turn to save bets here?
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[ QUOTE ] I fail to see how checkraising the turn saves you bets. [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] at this juncture i was considering mostlythat i was going to either bet/3bet or c'r. im seeing a showdown either way. he can have the other AA/KK. or he could have QQ/TT/QT or AQs or maybe AQ etc...if i bet/3bet he really only caps QQ/QT/TT most of the time. so i lose an extre bet by bet/3betting and check calling river rather than checkraise/calling a 3bet check call river when im behind. when im ahead we get fewer bets in by c'r than by bet/3betting. thats what i was weighing Barron
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#8
12-18-2005, 04:55 AM
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Re: c\'r turn to save bets here?
My understanding of CR'ing (or using any aggressive play) to "save bets" is that the opponent is supposed to call you down with a better hand, which can't really occur here.
Anyhow, I'm definitely in favour of bet 3-betting here, especially as you say QT is in his range.
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#9
12-18-2005, 01:54 PM
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Re: c\'r turn to save bets here?
I understand how you'd be saving bets with the checkraise, but I don't understand why you'd want to save bets when you are most likely ahead. I thought you described this guy as loose aggressive, so what makes you think you're behind on the turn? And if you really think you're behind, you can save more bets by just check-calling him down. Is he a big enough fish to cap a hand like Q10 or 99 preflop? If not, the only hand you really need to be worrying about here is QQ, otherwise I think you're probably still ahead on the turn.
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#10
12-18-2005, 04:37 PM
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Re: c\'r turn to save bets here?
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I understand how you'd be saving bets with the checkraise, but I don't understand why you'd want to save bets when you are most likely ahead. I thought you described this guy as loose aggressive, so what makes you think you're behind on the turn? And if you really think you're behind, you can save more bets by just check-calling him down. Is he a big enough fish to cap a hand like Q10 or 99 preflop? If not, the only hand you really need to be worrying about here is QQ, otherwise I think you're probably still ahead on the turn. [/ QUOTE ] he definately is capable of capping 99 or QT pf. thats why i thought to use the c'r to save bets concept. otherwise i think bet/call check call is best Barron
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