Conservatives

[QuadsOverQuads]

Cutting through the usual rightwing spin:

A "conservative" Justice will be one who votes to gut the scope of federal power arising under the Commerce Clause. With that, all federal protection for organized labor -- as well as all federal regulation of wages, working hours and worker safety -- all of that goes right out the window.

Or, to put it another way : welcome back to the 1890's.

Roe v. Wade is a useful misdirection, nothing more.



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[Hedge Henderson]

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Umm, you had me until you mixed up the 1st and 2nd ammendments.

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Heh. Yeah.

I do strongly support the right to bare arms, though. I've got a really good farmer's tan going on right now. It'd be a shame to lose it.

[Felix_Nietsche]

I was in a hurry. Cut me some slack. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
2nd Amendment = Right to bear arms.

What makes this even worse is I'm a member of the NRA and TRA(Texas Rifle Assc.) [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[Cyrus]

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When I was in college my school sponsored a debate between William F. Buckley and some liberal whose name I forgotten. The debatees had to agree upon the definitions:

Conservatism:
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Liberalism:
The political philosophy that the people are better off under a larger and more active govt. A liberal govt has higher taxes because it has higher overhead since it provides more social services.

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You have been duped. That was no liberal.

This "definition" is the standard facile shorthand of the liberal positions as taken by the conservatives! You watched a staged act, not a debate.

[Felix_Nietsche]

I know you hate providing specifics in your posts...BUT...maybe this one time you could do this.
Feel free to define conservative and liberal. Consider it a challenge. Show us how smart you are. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[shots]

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By quoting dead, you cause me to read dead which not something I want to do. There is no need to point out how wrong he will almost always be as it has long be established that dead is full of [censored].

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My apologies I didn't realize his ignorance was of historic proportions.

[DBowling]

thanks for the post, felix

[Cyrus]

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I know you hate providing specifics in your posts.

[/ QUOTE ] Whenever possible, I am as specific as I can. And I back as much as possible my specifics with data and links, as well. The evidence is all over this forum. (I might be overdoing it, if anything!) What basis do you have to claim that I "avoid specifics"?


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Feel free to define conservative and liberal.

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I repeat: that definition of "liberal" you provided, contains one of the many choices of smears that anti-liberals have to describe their ideological opponents, e.g. "liberals love raising taxes!"

As in the case of pornography, I will not define "liberal" for you, but I'm sure you know a liberal when you see one!

Seriously, liberalism, in general, meant somewhat different things in the 50s and 60s compared to now. Today's liberals are less of the interventionist, liberty-spreading kind; they tend to support individual freedoms, due process in law, separation of branches, more stringent controls of concentrated finacial/political power, assistance to the downtrodden, elderly and helpless, secular domestic policies, co-operative (rather than unilateral) foreign policies, etc.

Don't always judge a book by its cover. I know of a fellow Blackjack AP who's a pious and devoted Catholic, plays in a honky tonk band, is a loving family man, earns his living by doing a honest day's work, totally supports the troops --- you'd think hard-hat conservative, but he is a liberal and a union man!

[touchfaith]

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Feel free to define conservative and liberal. Consider it a challenge.

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Here, I'll give it a shot.

Conservative: Narrow-minded

Liberal: Open-minded

It is that simple.


I would be considered by most (I don't label myself) to be a liberal. Why is it that my list of favorite presidents goes...

1. FDR
2. Reagan
3. Clinton

???

[kurto]

I think you missed a real chance to drop the rhetoric and actually post about philosophical differences that you see.