Outplayed

[Broyle Dunson]

The more I read you high limit guys the more I realize how little I know about it ,but in a 7 handed game when you end up heads up with a board like that,I dont think you could you outplay AK held by a great player,after you lost the cold caller. didnt his chance of holding the best hand go way up. if you shut him down on the turn with bet 4 isnt he correct to call a river bet given the pot size?thanks

[Broyle Dunson]

Hi a few questions,why does the bet scream to be raised ?what did you put him on when he bet the turn?and what hands would a turn raise take the pot away after the flop action ?and why would a fold be the wrong play at that point(his turn bet).Im not being critical whatsoever, Im really curious ,as I am struggling as I try to move up.Thanks

[J_V]

Well he is making a high limit play by only calling in the BB so that he can represent weaker hands.

I know that he knows that and I knew that he could be weak and might try and take the pot away.

The turn bet out is rarely trips. Always raise overpairs.

These plays don't fly at lower limits though because players aren't thinking as much.

[J_V]

Yes, there really are. It's refreshing to see. Very fun game to play in.

[Duke]

Was it JC Tran? He's a HELL of a player.

~D

[PuffsNutz]

I dont like the raise vs a great player/reader,
simply because he's likely to 3 bet you off the best
hand too often.

His 3 bet is good if he knows you dont like to be
pushed around. Or perhaps he saw you raise someone
previously on a similair play.

All of these plays were very opponent specific.
Could be good..Could be bad...Kind of have to be there.

And btw, even when playing the same type of
player in either situation, you shoud randomize
your play when folding/calling/raising are
all close.

Sounds like a lot of these 80/160 players
have one speed.

[mike l.]

"Who played good, who played bad and why?"

you played bad because you played scared but then put money in against him anyways. he read you for big cards up above the board so he didnt really outplay you, he just played his hand very well. your worst play is whatever ego trip or whatever had you sitting in a crap game.

[VeryTnA]

Wouldn't most players ram n jam AK against a likely steal raise? Especailly against that flop. He calls your flop bet and then leads out when the board pairs against your K high. I think you out played yourself.

[J_V]

I come to Vegas to play the best in the world. If I came to make money, I'd stay in front of my computer.

I had my chance this trip to test my skills and it became clear that there is a level of holdem above me right now, which to be honest, I didn't think was possible before recently. I have to be honest, I was shocked at how good some players played. Not that the 2-4 and 80 aren't beatable, just that the super-sharks have a big advantage on me. I used to think the best internet player was the best player in the world - I don't think that is true anymore.


I was also shocked at how bad the high limit games were.

[J_V]

It was a young bald headed kid, who hails from Ny.

I think he's friends w/ Aaron katz, Kenny and John Ma.

Btw, Neverwin beat Katz 300-600 HU [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img].