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Old 06-20-2005, 03:02 PM
RedManPlus RedManPlus is offline
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Default Re: Thought of the Day - Rigged Poker and Chess

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First of all, learn how to structure a damn sentence. I meane seriously. Im not english major and my setneces have errors for sure, but this crap you wrote is unbelievable.

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Congratulations...
You made 3 grammatical/spelling errors in the first 2 sentences.

The "proof" provided is laughable...
If one knows anything about complex software systems.
(I have a degree in Computer Science).

(1) "Party Poker Certificate"

A firm from Australia certifies...
That the RNG algorithm is good one.
So what?

No poker site would cheat by tinkering with the RNG...
They would cheat by ** circumventing ** the RNG...
That is...
By dealing pre-programmed sequences...
Rather than RNG sequences.

Do you understand the difference?
Do you understand how software is coded, complied, and run in production?
And distributed around the globe?
And how easily one can manipulate software?

Basically all these firms are examining...
Material that the poker site gives them.
e.g. source code that may be 1% of the entire system...
While the production code...
Is not necesssarily the same as the source code examined.

(2)

The PriceWaterhouseCoopers thing is hilarious.
They are saying that material given to them by Paradise matched.
PWC is a dirty company...
They were consultants to most of the oligarchs in Eastern Europe...
That RAPED the economies of Russia and Ukraine.

(3)
Canadian Indian reservations our outside of Canadian law...
And have long been involved in every sort of underground activity.
To quote this as a reputable "Gaming Commission" is laughable.

(4)
The Pokerstar thing is the same deal as #1...
They certify RNG algorithm as acceptable.


The ONLY people that could certify...
Whether the site has the ability to cheat... or does in fact cheat...
Are the top inside engineers that run their Systems Department.

For Party Poker...
These people are all located in India...
Far beyond the reach of the law.

I have no idea why you are acting as if I insulted your mom.

I have just been pointing out:

(1) Poker sites are certainly much dirtier than regulated financial firms.
Dirtier than 90s Nasdaq dealer rigging, Enron, mutual fund fraud, boiler rooms

(2) A software system that services 10,000 or 100,000 players...
Is far too complex to be "certified clean" by a 3rd party.

I would assume that the online casino world...
Is comparable to 1950's Las Vegas in terms of law compliance/enforcement...
Where a casino would routinely bring in a card mechanic as needed.

Why would that stop me from playing?

The is a term for a guy like you... a mook.
That's it... and get a spell checker.

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  #132  
Old 06-20-2005, 03:52 PM
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Default Re: Thought of the Day - Rigged Poker and Chess

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By "always", I mean very often.

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With logic like that, it's no wonder that you will win every argument. Thank you, Mr. Clinton.

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The x's were NOT 3,4,5,6's. They were rags.


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Wow, double unintended comedy here. 1) What would you classify as "rags" then, if not 3, 4, 5, and 6s?
2) If your Ace high flush lost to a lower flush, then I will agree with you. Online poker is rigged.
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Old 06-20-2005, 05:24 PM
RedManPlus RedManPlus is offline
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Default Here\'s the Story on PayPal. Please Get Your Facts Straight.

From today's PC World...
Paypal under investigation by Justice Department...
For violating Patriot Act...
Which addresses "money laundering"...
And "know your customer"...
Among other things.

PayPal Cited For Patriot Act Violation

I know all about this...
Because my business, a US Broker-Dealer...
Is subject to the Patriot Act.

You cannot do business with offshore casinos...
Because there is no way to avoid "laundered funds"...
And it's may be impossible to find out who the REAL owners are...
As opposed to whores fronting and shilling the site.

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Old 06-20-2005, 06:11 PM
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Old 06-20-2005, 06:22 PM
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Default Re: ONLINE POKER IS 100% RIGGED

look you crettin, live play is somewhat weaker than online play, you play less hands live and your probably experiencing what is known as "variance", ur a [censored] cretin for thinking multibillion dollar poker skins would risk it by rigging the decks......as everybody is out to get them

in conclusion to this brief essay, your probably not very good but i hope you continue to beat those 35 hands an hour for 2bb.
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Old 06-20-2005, 07:03 PM
Khaos337 Khaos337 is offline
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Default Re: ONLINE POKER IS 100% RIGGED

1) A8 is NOT a good hand

2) Calling all-in's w/ AJ will not get you very far in this game.

maybe you should learn to play hold'em??
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Old 06-20-2005, 07:07 PM
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Default Re: Thought of the Day - Rigged Poker and Chess

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OMG you are such a dummy it's not even worth arguing with you. Those x's were CARDS, cards that did NOT make the straight flush for my opponent, just the flush. I don't remember, could have been J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]6 and he had the 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

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Actually, you're the dummy. Do you not realize that you said you had the ace of spades?

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Have A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] against A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

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Turn: x[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] River: x[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]


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Smooth one. Go back to your crop circles and tin foil hats, my friend.
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Old 06-20-2005, 09:26 PM
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Default Re: ONLINE POKER IS 100% RIGGED

thats just stupid!!
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Old 06-20-2005, 11:54 PM
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First of all - don't start picking on my spelling and grammar errors - english is only my 3d language,certainly not a mother tongue for me...

I was amazed to see how many ppl defend the mighty online poker rooms,just by saying "Why would they risk their reputation?".

Explain,how come the same story happens to everyone - i also won in my 1st 2 weeks - went up from 25$ to 450$,got excellent hands,was winning and so on,.
Begginers luck?
Or am i just a poor fish,who was led to believe he is good?
So,over the last few days,i lost 200@ bucks with some of the most amazing beats i ever saw (i played 6000 hands on this site - VC poker,ok,it's not that much,but still it's something) and all of a sudden,those things started to happen in chains.

First - i have qq.
Guy behind me bets,i raise,he calls.
Everybody fold.
The flop is q99.
I made a full house.
I raise,he raises me,i go all in,he calls.
We reveal the cards,he has 66,only one small pair!!!
Why whould he raise and reraise me with this crap??
I smile,expecting the easy money.
Ok,have you guessed the turn and the river?
That's right,it's 66.

Few hands from now.
I get 10 10,i bet,2 more ppl call.
I get a flop of 2 5 10 unsuited.
I bet,one folds,the other reraises me.
I go all in,he calls,we reveal the cards.
What does he have?
A goddamn jk.
Why,why on earth you call an all in with this amazing crap???
Do you know the cards?
Of course - it's q and a and he makes the straight.

And more freakish,bad beats,like higher flushes,higher full houses,KK gets beat by 22, and so on.
So,a week ago,i was a pro,making money and pumping my balance and suddenly i am fish,surrenderring to ridiculous calls and improbable beats hand after hand?

I thought,that this is only VC poker,so i started to look in google for poker site reviews,found this forum and this thread by accident.I've also found the reviews on this site
http://www.flopturnriver.com/
and was shocked to see,how many say that those sites are rigged,giving very solid examples...
Do you know,what are the odds of the same guy getting an aa in a row 3 times?
Or for the fact,that ace always comes on flop and miraculously,there are always at least to player,who have an ace something,so the pot goes up.
After another amazing beat,some guy that just beat said in a chat,that an 89 is a best card on this site,cause it catches a straight like 50% of the times and i am beginning to see,he's right.
How's that not rigged???

It's just smashed my hopes of ever becoming a poker pro.If it is no more than a slot machine,how can improve or at least win,which is,of corse is my ultimate goal?

I don't know,what to do,with the rest of my balance.
Continue loosing it to cheating site or cash out?
Tell me,all you pros,who constanly making money online,tell me about sites,where you do it.
And please,don't be a shills working for those sites.


We really need to spread the word about those sites,making them think twice,before rigging the games for rakes and posting shills to win our money!
I want to play online,i think,i can become a decent player,but i need to know,i am playing random shuffled cards and not some preprogrammed sequences for saps.

All i can say is this - sometimes the paranoid IS being watched.
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Old 06-21-2005, 12:27 AM
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