Dealer says "check" but the player never checked

[mblax10]

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I'm watching him and the dealer says check.


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if you were watching him, how did you not know he didnt check?

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How we were sitting I couldn't completley see his right hand which was shuffiling chips. Dealer clearly said check, so I took that as the dealer saw or heard something I didn't.

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I'm watching him and the dealer says check.


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if you were watching him, how did you not know he didnt check?

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How we were sitting I couldn't completley see his right hand which was shuffiling chips. Dealer clearly said check, so I took that as the dealer saw or heard something I didn't.

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Maybe he did see something. Its not all that unusual for a guy shuffling chips to make a tapping motion that can be construed by the dealer as a check. Since you didn't see maybe it was a player mistake and not a dealer mistake.

[Randy_Refeld]

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Maybe he did see something. Its not all that unusual for a guy shuffling chips to make a tapping motion that can be construed by the dealer as a check. Since you didn't see maybe it was a player mistake and not a dealer mistake.

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Something else that can happen is the dealer sees a checking motion, announces the check and puts it out of their mind. Floor is called because the player says he didn't check and the dealer doesn't remember what checking motion he saw (he sees a lot of these over the course of a shift and has no real reason to remember THIS one), so the player that DID check gets to bet. As a player I don't know a good way to protect yourself against this angle shot when you don't have an unobstructed view, but if it ever happens a second time with a player I would make a point of finding out what he is doing.

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Maybe he did see something. Its not all that unusual for a guy shuffling chips to make a tapping motion that can be construed by the dealer as a check. Since you didn't see maybe it was a player mistake and not a dealer mistake.

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Something else that can happen is the dealer sees a checking motion, announces the check and puts it out of their mind. Floor is called because the player says he didn't check and the dealer doesn't remember what checking motion he saw (he sees a lot of these over the course of a shift and has no real reason to remember THIS one), so the player that DID check gets to bet. As a player I don't know a good way to protect yourself against this angle shot when you don't have an unobstructed view, but if it ever happens a second time with a player I would make a point of finding out what he is doing.

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One thing I would like to see is for poker rooms to require clear hand signals at the table, they way they do at a blackjack table. requiring a player to bring his hand out towards the center and tap the table would go along way to avoiding many misunderstandings (an angle shots).

[JJNJustin]

I'd be happy he gave you some of your money back. Whether he said check or not, it is sort of a mute point, you bet your hand, as you would be expected to do with a flush, and he took his option to raise. If anything, it was he who was unfairly punished by not being allowed to bet his flush, which he most certainly would do, but was lucky that you also had a hand which you felt worth of betting.
The fact that he was nice enough to give you some of your bet back confirms what you said about him being a nice, honest player.

One time a player pulled an angle shot on me, insisting that I shouldnt be allowed to bet because I had tapped the table. Yet, the action was on this player, and I was waiting for her to act. She checked, and then insisted that I shouldnt be allowed to bet, because I was lightly tapping the table while she was contemplating her decision. The dealer was clueless to what she was doing (she was obviously on the come and wanted a free card)and didnt allow me to bet. Luckily, I boated on the river, but I was still angry at both her tactics and the dealer's ignorance.

The other night at the casino I moved away from the button 2 seats across one player and the dealer insisted, incorrectly, that I had to post. I asked whether or not the casino had a "two live player rule", and she replied "yes, but if you move away from the button you still have to post." This is obviously contradictory. A casino that rules that you have to post if you move away from the button, no matter how many seats, obviously does not have a "two player" rule. Moving closer to the blind does not matter. I should have called the floor, but I posted not to cause any fuss, as the table was getting angered at me. I later asked the floor about the dealer's ruling and was informed the dealer was in fact wrong, and I was in fact correct. However, having not called the floor, there was nothing they were willing to do about it.

In conclusion, when a dealer makes a questionable call at the table, never argue, just call the floor immediately. Many dealers make enough mistakes and the only way the situation is going to be handled fairly is to get the floor. Do not feel embarassed or that you may be offending the dealer. It is your money at stake.

-J