Tipping Story

[mostsmooth]

wouldnt the bet be $25 if the dealer was so good?

[Rick Nebiolo]

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Like I say, I've never seen it. I've seen players point it out, but never the dealer. My guess is half of them don't know the rule.

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When I play I rarely point it out, except perhaps when someone who has played the all-in angle more than once in a session and it's someone who I believe does it deliberately. Even then, there are players who I want to play that derive their enjoyment trying to play the little angles, so usually I avoid it even here. Another time to point it out is when I can see the amount of the all-in bet impacts the half bet rule in a multi-way pot (bigfishhead's post below reminded me of this).

My guess is most dealer's know the rule here. But they realize that enforcing it strictly can lead to some ugly situations (e.g., taking someones bus money or further enraging an already tilted player) so they either avoid it or do it when it's clearly necessary. When I reflect upon my original "Tipping Story" in the opening post I realize it was much easier for the first dealer to ignore the five one dollar chips. Five chips sort of look like four and he probably finds "Difficult" as difficult to deal with as I and others do. The next dealer could see that holding back eight chips was a bit much.

When I talked to my friend the Dealer Coordinator yesterday it was clear that she understood a reasonable middle ground.

~ Rick

[Rick Nebiolo]

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What we have here is a failure to communicate.

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Cool Hand Luke turned out to be a much darker movie than I remembered, which is good because I don't like movies that you just know are going to have a happy ending.

My Netflix queue is up to about a hundred movies and counting even though I only have one "Netflix friend" at this point.

~ Rick

[Rick Nebiolo]

Good points (although I think mostsmooth caught a small error, probably a typo). I guess it can be summed up be saying when all-in odd chips impact betting triggers, you need to be aware of when they should go in.

I don't play much outside of LA but when I do I get the impression dealers, on average, have better English skills. In addition, within LA, a considerable portion of the customer base has limited or hard to understand English. It's mostly demographics. This in large part impacts and limits the way dealers interact with customers verbally, and fixing these types of errors often require considerable verbal interaction.

That doesn't mean I don't think LA dealers are good, in fact I do. But putting the burden on them to solve problems that require a large amount of verbal interaction isn't wise policy since it's something that doesn't consistently work.

And "consistency" is important. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

~ Rick

[Randy_Refeld]

LA is the only market I have been in that the dealer not being fluent in English is an issue. This makes a really big difference.

[bigfishead]

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wouldnt the bet be $25 if the dealer was so good?

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Someone kick him in the nutz for me!...My error in typing it correctly. I should know better, too many nits here to go and put out ANY sort of mathematical error in print!

[daryn]

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wouldnt the bet be $25 if the dealer was so good?

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Someone kick him in the nutz for me!...My error in typing it correctly. I should know better, too many nits here to go and put out ANY sort of mathematical error in print!

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also you keep saying "your" when you mean to say "you're"

english = not that hard

[bigfishead]

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LA is the only market I have been in that the dealer not being fluent in English is an issue. This makes a really big difference.

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Randy, check out SF, Bay area. I've seen more floor calls get screwed up or were about to get screwed up because of the poor delivery of a dealer speaking english that could barely say "caw" or "lay" let alone have a small conversation. Ah but a good floor person scans the table then and eyeballs the regular that speaks engish to get an idea if the dealer delivered the info correctly. As a player I have corrected (after being asked) numerous of these "dealer speeches" so that floor could rule with proper info.

[Randy_Refeld]

I have never been to the bay area, but I have heard that.

[Justin A]

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I also see this all the time: with what they think is a winning hand, an all-in player will use their small denomination chips to get as much into the pot as possible; with what they think might not win, they won't. I've never seen any dealer force the player to put in the small denomination chips.

Really, I can't blame the dealers. The all-in player is usually not in a mood to be nudged about a few dollars. And in my game (Commerce 40-80) there are a lot of different chips ($5, $3, $1, and sometimes $2) so the all-in player might have a rainbow of chips that could be $10 or it could be $9. And there are some players who honestly don't know that the smaller chips play.

Glad to hear you explained yourself to the dealer. Not that I imagined you'd do anything but that.

Regards,
Andy

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I can't believe you have never seen a dealer force a player to put in his small denomination chips. In my game (canterbury 30-60) I have never not seen a player forced to put in his last $.

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I think you're spoiled by playing in such a well run cardroom.