Is this bad etiquette?

[fyodor]

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seat 6 goes all in. Seat 3 goes into the tank and then folds queens face up. Seat 4 then calls.

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Seat 3 should be shot. And it's not even close.

[SNOWBALL138]

If I was seat 4, I would show my cards 100 percent of the time, especially since seat 6 is a nice guy and a loose recreational player. Since seat 6 wasn't bothered by it, I guess it wasn't a big deal. If I were seat six, I might feel that I got slowrolled, even though slowrolling is different than what is described in the OP.

[Army Eye]

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seat 6 goes all in. Seat 3 goes into the tank and then folds queens face up. Seat 4 then calls.

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Seat 3 should be shot. And it's not even close.

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Yeah, what is seat 3 doing showing his cards when there's still action?

[Rick Nebiolo]

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Yeah, what is seat 3 doing showing his cards when there's still action?

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This is so common in this and some other casinos that it's pathetic so I forgot to focus on it.

Quick Story:

A couple months ago I'm in a NL game watching a pot develop from seat 2. Pot is already big on the turn. Seat 3 is very deep and bets the pot. Seat 7 (also deep) puts in a big raise. Seat 9 goes in the tank for a bit. As he folds he stands up and clearly shows his cards to seat 7 before tossing them in the muck. Even though I'm not in the pot I call him on it (i.e., his horrific breach of etiquette) as it wasn't his first indiscretion. He's all over me calling me names and stuff.

Turns out seat 9 is an attorney who is deeply involved with launching a new poker magazine that has something to do with the formation of some kind of poker players association. I wonder who will be the etiquette expert [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img].

~ Rick

[drewjustdrew]

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Who put in the last bet preflop?

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I should have mentioned this. BTF seat 3 makes a normal raise (to $30 or so), seat 4 makes a normal reraise (to about $120), and now seat 6 goes all in. Seat 3 goes into the tank and then folds queens face up. Seat 4 then calls.

What bothered me is that seat 6 is a very loose recreational player who also seems to be a real nice guy. To keep the game fun I think it's best to show right away given aces were a mile ahead.

~ Rick

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Regardless of if the guy is good for the game, it is bad etiquette, plain and simple.

The only way I would approve is if the other guy was a slow-rolling jerk. But only if I was to follow through and educate the whole table that this is bad etiquette and I only did it cuz he deserved it for being a tool. If I just slow-rolled, it would be reinforcing and encouraging the practice.

[drewjustdrew]

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A couple months ago I'm in a NL game watching a pot develop from seat 2. Pot is already big on the turn. Seat 3 is very deep and bets the pot. Seat 7 (also deep) puts in a big raise. Seat 9 goes in the tank for a bit. As he folds he stands up and clearly shows his cards to seat 7 before tossing them in the muck. Even though I'm not in the pot I call him on it (i.e., his horrific breach of etiquette) as it wasn't his first indiscretion. He's all over me calling me names and stuff.


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To me, etiquette is not in the rules. This seems like a clear violation of the rules.

This is not a slowroll. Conceivably AA could have a tactical reason for not showing. For instance, if a King flopped and AA was outdrawn, he would have the option of mucking his hand to not show what he moved all-in on. Since there is a tactical justification for not flipping, this could conceivably be a legitimate play.

[Black Aces 518]

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Who put in the last bet preflop?

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I should have mentioned this. BTF seat 3 makes a normal raise (to $30 or so), seat 4 makes a normal reraise (to about $120), and now seat 6 goes all in. Seat 3 goes into the tank and then folds queens face up. Seat 4 then calls.

What bothered me is that seat 6 is a very loose recreational player who also seems to be a real nice guy. To keep the game fun I think it's best to show right away given aces were a mile ahead.

~ Rick

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Holy crap. The huge etiquette breach is on Player 3 folding faceup when there is still action to go. Imagine if Player 4 has the KK and player 6 has the AA. Player 4 can now heavily discount the likelihood of Player 6 having QQ. If I was player 6, and that made player 4 fold his KK against my AA, I would probably have the first fight of my life.

[arod15]

He doesnt have to show. No bad eddiquitte there....

[drewjustdrew]

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He doesnt have to show. No bad eddiquitte there....

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Why don't people understand what etiquette is? If someone is merging into traffic right next to you and you don't slow down or speed up to let him in, that is poor etiquette. You don't have to slow down or speed up, so it isn't illegal, but it is still poor etiquette.