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Hand from Bellagio 5 diamond
I opened in the cutoff with AdQd, JJ Liu makes it 140k from the button. Blinds fold. Flop is K66 rainbow. I check, JJ Liu bets 100k, I call. Turn is offsuit 2, I bet 200k, JJ calls. River is another offsuit blank, I shove for the rest of her stack(about 600k more). She calls and opens KK.
Earlier in the night, she folded KK face up on a flop of T66, with preflop action like this, phil laak opens utg for a standard raise. JJ Liu reraises big from the button, folds to Laak who calls. Laak leads the flop for 75k(with around 500k behind before the bet, I believe.) JJ raises Laak to 175k, with around 900k behind her. Laak shoves the rest of his stack in. She thinks for 10 minutes and then mucks KK face up. Side Note: I had never been caught bluffing by anyone at the table, and JJ had consistently shown that she respected my raises, she knew I was out of line alot preflop, but postflop, she never saw anything from me that could be construed as "way out of line." I had actually been playing relatively passive post flop with the intention of getting into a situation with her such as this. My thinking was that if I could get to the river without allowing the pot to get way out of line, but still large enough to make it worth my while, then I could get her to fold everything but the near nuts. We both very lighthearted with each throughout the night, and joked and talked through different hands as they were being played out....I really believe she is folding everything but the hand she had and quads, of course. |
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Re: Hand from Bellagio 5 diamond
im glad you made this post, i followed the pokerwire updates and it was nice to see the situation as I assumed you had a read and you did, so yeah thanks [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] good luck tomorrow
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Re: Hand from Bellagio 5 diamond
Yea she probably doesn't call with less than a K... but how often is she going to be getting to this point without a K.
I think the flop was where to try something. She bets small w/ 100k.. why not try to take it from her here with a checkraise. |
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Re: Hand from Bellagio 5 diamond
exit,
he said that he thinks she doesn't call on the end with less than KK, that's way different than not calling without at least one king. c |
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Re: Hand from Bellagio 5 diamond
well, i liked the flop call intending to steal, but the her call on the turn when you do make the move looks really bad to me, warning bells going off kinda stuff. I mean, she's not on a draw, and if she's playing carefull, at that point I'd be thinking she has the K, or a high pair and is convinced you dont. either way maybe you give up on this one.
BUT, standered disclaimer, I donk off chips more often than most, and have ran crappy in general lately, so take anything i'm saying for what it's worth. |
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Re: Hand from Bellagio 5 diamond
[ QUOTE ]
I'd be thinking she has the K, or a high pair and is convinced you dont [/ QUOTE ] I also thought that she had a K, or at the very worst JJ, but I really trusted my read that she would fold all one pair hands, and possibly even A6(which, given the preflop action is a virtual impossible holding for her.) I had been in several hands where the action made it to the river, and I had made large bets on that street, and always showed the nuts, or near nuts. Remember, we were talking throughout the night about hands being played out, so it was definitely recognized by her that I only made it to the river with the best hand. There was never a situation(that was shown down) where I had made a river bet, that wasn't obviously a value bet, that a one pair hand could beat. In retrospect, I wish I had given the hand up, but I had spent alot of time setting up a big hand with her, and this really felt like it was the "spot." I felt like I needed to take advantage of it, while it was there. In any case, when I was thinking about the size of my bet on the turn, I really wanted to make a bet that tested her stack, yet, wasn't impossible to call, with the idea that my continuation bet on the river was a natural conclusion to representing the near nuts, but with overtones of a bluff. Which would be very similar to other lines I had played out in previous hands, yet showed the near nuts. |
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Re: Hand from Bellagio 5 diamond
Gig, whatever conjecture may be brought up about this hand, that obviously took alot of balls, so here here. Anyway, what were your thoughts about the tiny underbet on the flop? This would be a really strange bet from my perspective w/QQ-TT/AQ-AJ as she wouldnt want to induce a call or show too much weakness. I suppose she could figure you to be drawing nearly dead as well if she had AA/AK but still, it looks a little fishy. Kind of reminds me of the "please play back at me" thing David Williams pulled in the WSOP final table against Matt Dean. I remember watching the hand play out live on Stars, and thinking his small re-raise from the blind was bizarre in that it would never get anyone to fold, and then he bets tiny on the flop and induces Dean to move in w/AT against his AA. The two hands are obviously not the same, just curious if you had any thoughts on it at the time.
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Re: Hand from Bellagio 5 diamond
Tough hand. I mean, you look like a genius when she folds AK or QQ, but when you bluff into the second nuts, then you look sorta retarded.
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Re: Hand from Bellagio 5 diamond
I think the retards will think he looks retarded. I think the rest of the table fears him after this hand, if he has a decent amount of chips left.
If he tabled AK instead of AQ, then maybe he looks retarded [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] |
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Re: Hand from Bellagio 5 diamond
the way i see it, you check she bet about 1/3 of the pot on the flop. fine, you call cuz 1/3 doesnt mean a whole lot. pots now about 500k. you bet 200, meaning if she calls total pot is around 900k, JUST enough to make a perfect 600k bet on the river to drag the pot. i like yer thinking a lot from that standpoint. damn near perfect pot building.
however.. what kind of hand, will she reraise with pf, bet 1/3 the pot, and called yer 2/5 pot bet on the turn. on a K662 board. i think, as im sure she does, that you are capable of using that betting pattern with any RANGE or hands, AK, 56d, AJ, and 44 included. however, with a weaker hand, say QQ/JJ type of hand, maybe even AK, i think she puts in a raise on the turn, and i dont think for a second she calls expecting to check it down on the river. she knows better than to think yer gonna give up the pot on the end. this leaves 2 hands in my mind that she can make this play with. KK and AA. i dont think for a second that she is folding either of these for a 600k bet into the 900k pot on the river. you must give her a TON of respect if you think she folds AA there, or even AK. K66 isnt even close to the same type of board as T66. i understand that it was a situation play, etc, that you had been building up for and wanted to take advantage of the situation, etc. however, i dont think this was QUITE the situation you were looking for, as it was a draw free paired board in which the 6 PROBABLY didnt help you. meh, i duno, i love the betting pattern you used, as its one of my favorites, but not on this kind of board. holla |
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