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11-01-2005, 03:00 PM
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Re: AQs, 10-20, I\'m told I suck a whole bunch
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Why no 3 bet preflop? [/ QUOTE ] My thoughts exactly, everything else looks standard. 
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11-01-2005, 03:08 PM
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Re: AQs, 10-20, I\'m told I suck a whole bunch
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[ QUOTE ] Why no 3 bet preflop? [/ QUOTE ] My thoughts exactly, everything else looks standard. [/ QUOTE ] Maybe you could elaborate? Why a 3-bet preflop?
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11-01-2005, 03:09 PM
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Re: AQs, 10-20, I\'m told I suck a whole bunch
There is nothing anywhere post-flop that I think can be done differently.
Pre-flop I'll usually three-bet but I'll defer to your judgment. Three-betting is not automatic and your hand plays nicely multiway, so cold-calling is a viable option in plenty of situations.
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#15
11-01-2005, 03:13 PM
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Re: AQs, 10-20, I\'m told I suck a whole bunch
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There is nothing anywhere post-flop that I think can be done differently. Pre-flop I'll usually three-bet but I'll defer to your judgment. Three-betting is not automatic and your hand plays nicely multiway, so cold-calling is a viable option in plenty of situations. [/ QUOTE ] In this situation, I'd 3-bet almost everytime online, but at MCC, it's a different animal. In this game, I'm 3betting 50/50 or so.
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11-01-2005, 03:39 PM
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Re: AQs, 10-20, I\'m told I suck a whole bunch
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What about a bet out on the flop when checked to? Fold some people and increase your winning chances in this big pot. [/ QUOTE ] No one is folding. If we had a gutshot in addition to our backdoor flush and overs, I like a bet, but then it's primarily for value. The check by the pfr in front of us may be setting up a check-raise, and I don't want to put two bets in on this flop if I avoid it. Our overcards are likely to be either totally clean or reverse dominated, and in both of those cases there's no reason to try to clean up our overcard outs (because they're already clean or we won't be able to fold anyone who has hands that dirty them). So I think checking this flop is probably the best way to go.
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#18
11-01-2005, 03:44 PM
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Re: AQs, 10-20, I\'m told I suck a whole bunch
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Why no 3 bet preflop? [/ QUOTE ] My thoughts exactly, everything else looks standard. [/ QUOTE ] Maybe you could elaborate? Why a 3-bet preflop? [/ QUOTE ] Because on average in this position your likely to have an equity edge and if any of the gimpers call when its 2 cold back then great. Also because it'll make the blinds call with a wide range some which will be incorrect. Plus AQs in a likely multiway pot is a strong holding. Also being the aggressor with position improves your chances of winnig the hand because it may get checked to you giving you the opportunity to take a free card. Also there's a chance you'll get a free card. Plus it gains infornation because if it gets capped then you'll know your up against it. Anyways i don't think its a big deal what you do preflop just a thought really.
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11-01-2005, 04:06 PM
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Re: AQs, 10-20, I\'m told I suck a whole bunch
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[ QUOTE ] What about a bet out on the flop when checked to? Fold some people and increase your winning chances in this big pot. [/ QUOTE ] No one is folding. If we had a gutshot in addition to our backdoor flush and overs, I like a bet, but then it's primarily for value. The check by the pfr in front of us may be setting up a check-raise, and I don't want to put two bets in on this flop if I avoid it. Our overcards are likely to be either totally clean or reverse dominated, and in both of those cases there's no reason to try to clean up our overcard outs (because they're already clean or we won't be able to fold anyone who has hands that dirty them). So I think checking this flop is probably the best way to go. [/ QUOTE ] If the PFR had bet out on the flop, do you raise behind him to clean up the overcard outs?
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11-01-2005, 04:29 PM
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Re: AQs, 10-20, I\'m told I suck a whole bunch
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] What about a bet out on the flop when checked to? Fold some people and increase your winning chances in this big pot. [/ QUOTE ] No one is folding. If we had a gutshot in addition to our backdoor flush and overs, I like a bet, but then it's primarily for value. The check by the pfr in front of us may be setting up a check-raise, and I don't want to put two bets in on this flop if I avoid it. Our overcards are likely to be either totally clean or reverse dominated, and in both of those cases there's no reason to try to clean up our overcard outs (because they're already clean or we won't be able to fold anyone who has hands that dirty them). So I think checking this flop is probably the best way to go. [/ QUOTE ] If the PFR had bet out on the flop, do you raise behind him to clean up the overcard outs? [/ QUOTE ] On this hand, with a board of J85, if this particular PFR had bet the flop, I'm waaaay behind. There are no outs to clean up from him since has has AA-JJ, or maybe 88 at motor city casino, 10-20, raising the PFR bet is spewing, because we have so few outs. I checked the flop because i really wanted to hit a diamond, A, Q, K, or T for free, and only 1 player was after me.
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