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05-19-2005, 11:45 AM
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Re: Living in the US, Learning the English Language
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[ QUOTE ] Furthermore, why is Spanish the predominant "secondary" language. If we are to be a multi-lingual country, so be it...I'm all for diversity but don't see why Spanish is given some precedence over all other languages in the United States nor why some resources within the US are provided with Spanish speaking individuals in mind but not any other language (and sometimes not English, i.e. Spanish only). [/ QUOTE ] Because Spanish is the 2nd most commonly spoken language in America. [/ QUOTE ] Interesting article Most Widely Spoken Languages - WorldWide Wonder how accurate this is 15 years later... 
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05-19-2005, 11:46 AM
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Because Spanish is the 2nd most commonly spoken language in America. [/ QUOTE ] Yes. I think Avid vastly underestimates just how much more commonly spoken Spanish is than all other foreign languages in this country. It's also the most relevant language to our region of the world.
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#14
05-19-2005, 11:55 AM
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Re: Living in the US, Learning the English Language
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[ QUOTE ] Because Spanish is the 2nd most commonly spoken language in America. [/ QUOTE ] Yes. I think Avid vastly underestimates just how much more commonly spoken Spanish is than all other foreign languages in this country. It's also the most relevant language to our region of the world. [/ QUOTE ] I don't think that I underestimate this, I think my concern is that Spanish is "gaining ground" on the English language. It is scary how much is supported by Spanish IMO. Given the length and predominance of the English language in the United States, what I am saying is LEARN the English language. I don't object to learning another language or using another language, but altering the construct of companies, business, subjective material to accomodate those that live here but refuse to learn the English language seems beyond a measure of ethnic or multi-lingual flexibility and is really forcing progressive change throughout the US and away from the traditional language used here (again IMHO). As an analogy with poker in mind, imagine you go to a casino and get involved with a hand where controvery arises and the entire casino only speaks Spanish yet there is money involved. You speak English, the casino is in the United States...and you do what?
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#15
05-19-2005, 11:56 AM
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Re: Living in the US, Learning the English Language
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[ QUOTE ] Because Spanish is the 2nd most commonly spoken language in America. [/ QUOTE ] Yes. I think Avid vastly underestimates just how much more commonly spoken Spanish is than all other foreign languages in this country. It's also the most relevant language to our region of the world. [/ QUOTE ] IMO this issue has nothing to do with an official language. It's common sense. If you live somewhere you learn at least enough of the local language to get by. You can function in the U.S. w/o speaking Spanish. You cannot function w/o speaking English unless people bend over backwards for you. Therefore, in order not to be a drag on society, they should learn English. And, while Spanish is the most spoken, it's not the most relevant. Much more business is done in English and more media is created in English.
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05-19-2005, 11:57 AM
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Join my club. web page [/ QUOTE ] Nice site... [ QUOTE ] U.S.ENGLISH believes that the passage of English as the official language will help to expand opportunities for immigrants to learn and speak English, the single greatest empowering tool that immigrants must have to succeed. [/ QUOTE ]
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#17
05-19-2005, 11:58 AM
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1) You aren't very bright.
2) Politics forum. [ QUOTE ] I figured I'd take a stab and say if you are living in the US, learn [censored] English [/ QUOTE ] Why? It isn't the official language. If they want to learn it for a job or school or whatever they have the option. If they don't think they need to, then why should they? [ QUOTE ] I was inclined to respond "Why is ANYTHING in the US printed in Spanish" [/ QUOTE ] Because there is a large number of people who speak Spanish maybe? [ QUOTE ] I just think the US is going too far with supporting the Spanish language. (i.e. Spanish manuals, Spanish instructions, dedicated Spanish channels, dedicated Spanish radio stations, etc) [/ QUOTE ] The US does not support any specific language. Companies choose to do what is in their own best interests. If that means making products accessible to Spanish speakers, then they do. I can't believe you're actually employed. [ QUOTE ] Not to mention how Mexican immigrantsare somehow PROTECTED and GAIN BENEFITS in the US. No wonder they want to come here. [/ QUOTE ] Of course they are. That's what the country was founded on smart guy. If you were talking about illegal-immigrants then you should have gone to Politics Forum. [ QUOTE ] Isn't that biased and racist?!?! [/ QUOTE ] No, but you are. Get hit by a bus.
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05-19-2005, 11:58 AM
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Re: Living in the US, Learning the English Language
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Because Spanish is the 2nd most commonly spoken language in America. [/ QUOTE ] Yes. I think Avid vastly underestimates just how much more commonly spoken Spanish is than all other foreign languages in this country. It's also the most relevant language to our region of the world. [/ QUOTE ] IMO this issue has nothing to do with an official language. It's common sense. If you live somewhere you learn at least enough of the local language to get by. You can function in the U.S. w/o speaking Spanish. You cannot function w/o speaking English unless people bend over backwards for you. Therefore, in order not to be a drag on society, they should learn English. And, while Spanish is the most spoken, it's not the most relevant. Much more business is done in English and more media is created in English. [/ QUOTE ] That is essentially my point, as many Non-English speaking individuals simply refuse to even learn the language. Even those that do, hardly learn the essentials to get by. You should see half the people I work with, how they even got past the interview is beyond me.
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#19
05-19-2005, 12:09 PM
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Re: Living in the US, Learning the English Language
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1) You aren't very bright. 2) Politics forum. [ QUOTE ] I figured I'd take a stab and say if you are living in the US, learn [censored] English [/ QUOTE ] Why? It isn't the official language. If they want to learn it for a job or school or whatever they have the option. If they don't think they need to, then why should they? [ QUOTE ] I was inclined to respond "Why is ANYTHING in the US printed in Spanish" [/ QUOTE ] Because there is a large number of people who speak Spanish maybe? [ QUOTE ] I just think the US is going too far with supporting the Spanish language. (i.e. Spanish manuals, Spanish instructions, dedicated Spanish channels, dedicated Spanish radio stations, etc) [/ QUOTE ] The US does not support any specific language. Companies choose to do what is in their own best interests. If that means making products accessible to Spanish speakers, then they do. I can't believe you're actually employed. [ QUOTE ] Not to mention how Mexican immigrantsare somehow PROTECTED and GAIN BENEFITS in the US. No wonder they want to come here. [/ QUOTE ] Of course they are. That's what the country was founded on smart guy. If you were talking about illegal-immigrants then you should have gone to Politics Forum. [ QUOTE ] Isn't that biased and racist?!?! [/ QUOTE ] No, but you are. Get hit by a bus. [/ QUOTE ] Awesome post! [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [ QUOTE ] 1) You aren't very bright [/ QUOTE ] I don't disagree. [ QUOTE ] 2) Politics forum. [/ QUOTE ] My bad, Politics forum would have been better, you are correct sir. Some insightful posts all around, I guess the frustration/venting was primarily due to people not wanting to learn the English language. The example given, an internal document was provided in English. It is a requirement to know English to work here. Read the document in English, why does it need to be printed in Spanish (and cost the company money)? My statement was applied to everyone living in the US, but it is a valid point that the US doesn't have an official language (although IMO it should be English) but even if it did, do you honestly think that would change anything? I doubt it. [ QUOTE ] The US does not support any specific language. Companies choose to do what is in their own best interests. If that means making products accessible to Spanish speakers, then they do. I can't believe you're actually employed. [/ QUOTE ] Actually I haven't come across a company (in my field) that doesn't REQUIRE English as a pre-requisite for a given job. My opinion on the English language has no impact on my ability to get a job, so I am not sure why it is hard to believe I have one. [ QUOTE ] Because there is a large number of people who speak Spanish maybe? [/ QUOTE ] Because there is a large number of people who ONLY speak Spanish maybe?
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#20
05-19-2005, 12:14 PM
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Re: Living in the US, Learning the English Language
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You cannot function w/o speaking English unless people bend over backwards for you. [/ QUOTE ] Who is bending over backwards? Companies? They are making a choice to market or sell or hire Spanish speakers. There is no burden. It is all about choice. The govt does not force corporations to market or sell towards Spanish speakers. Here's a hint: It is profitable. Every way that you guys try to spin this is a poor attempt to shroud your bigotry and ignorance.
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