KK live $8-$16 kill pot. Turn decision

brandon · #1 11-26-2005, 05:30 PM

I get dealt K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] in late posistion during a kill pot.

The killer is a super loose aggressive donkey.

MP1 posts. Ive played alot with him. He is a solid player but not very aggressive.

Folded around to me. I raise. Everyone folds to the killer who is in the SB. He 3 bets. MP1 calls and I cap. Everyone calls.

3.5 BB
Flop:

10 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Killer(sb) bets, MP1 calls(this worries me because he knows that I am raising), I raise, Killer 3 bets, MP1 calls, I cap, everyone calls.

9.5 BB
Turn:

7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

Killer(sb) checks, MP1 checks, I ?????

cold_cash · #2 11-26-2005, 05:33 PM

You have to bet.

private joker · #3 11-26-2005, 06:09 PM

Did you consider just calling the flop and raising the turn? This is a large pot and with this overpair I think waiting to raise the turn is best.

chesspain · #4 11-26-2005, 06:46 PM

Why would you cap the flop and then not bet that turn brick?

MisterKing · #5 11-26-2005, 06:56 PM

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Did you consider just calling the flop and raising the turn? This is a large pot and with this overpair I think waiting to raise the turn is best.

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Yeah, isn't this hand a lot like that "forgo" hand Q-Tip posted a few weeks ago?

brandon · #6 11-26-2005, 07:02 PM

Because of the 2 hearts and 2 connected.

brandon · #7 11-26-2005, 07:03 PM

I got a worried that I was behind in the hand after the flop action

brandon · #8 11-26-2005, 07:05 PM

I checked the turn. I know it was a bad play.

River:
3 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

killer checks, MP1 checks, I bet, killer calls, MP1 calls.

private joker · #9 11-26-2005, 07:41 PM

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Because of the 2 hearts and 2 connected.

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This is exactly why you should wait for the turn. No draws are going anywhere on this flop with this pot size. Make it 2BBs on the turn and gutshots/low flush draws will have a harder time calling.

#10 11-26-2005, 07:55 PM

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Because of the 2 hearts and 2 connected.

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This is exactly why you should wait for the turn. No draws are going anywhere on this flop with this pot size. Make it 2BBs on the turn and gutshots/low flush draws will have a harder time calling.

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Well, it's not gonna be 2BBs on the turn. The flop went bet-call-call, and if the flop bettor leads the turn it will be bet-call-raise, and they will only have to call one more anyway.

So waiting for the turn to raise in order to protect the hand is not possible; though just calling the flop in order to be bet into on the turn and then raising if a blank falls, thus extracting more value - that's certainly an option.

I'd probably raise the flop anyway, while I'm definitely ahead.