QQ laydown... standard?

Roy6 · #1 10-04-2005, 11:12 AM

BB is 44/28/2.88 idiot but capable of folding.
MP is 50/21/1.13 but I have only 28 datamined hands on him.

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Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, MP calls, 2 folds, Hero raises, BB 3-bets, MP calls, Hero caps, BB calls, MP calls.

Flop: (12 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, MP calls.

Turn: (7.50 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, MP bets, Hero folds,

Peter Harris · #2 10-04-2005, 11:19 AM

you gave this one up pretty fast unless you thought BB was setting you up for a checkraise on the turn. I dont make MP for an ace given the flow of the hands, the stats mean little after 28 hands.

Unless you figured BB was 3betting with an ace and wanted to show it down against you, i don't like this. I'd prefer to raise and see if BB 3bets the turn.

ArturiusX · #3 10-04-2005, 11:23 AM

Check-call to a showdown, folding to 2 more isnt a bad line here.

Roy6 · #4 10-04-2005, 11:23 AM

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I dont make MP for an ace given the flow of the hands

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Why? With what would he peel the flop? K9?
With a flush draw he would raise the flop, no?

RunDownHouse · #5 10-04-2005, 11:26 AM

If he's raising a flush draw on the flop he's almost certainly raising an A, no?

Wouldn't you bet any 9 or T here if you were MP?

Roy6 · #6 10-04-2005, 11:34 AM

I don't think so. I would raise a flush draw on the flop for a free card. If I had say A8, I would check-call and bet when checked to if I were villain.
Do you think he would really bet a 9 or a T on the turn?
Why would he peel the flop with a T?

Trix · #7 10-04-2005, 11:39 AM

Well you prolly beat idiot guy, the other is harder, but he can call alot of hands getting 14:1 on the flop.

I´m betting the turn. Having checked, I would call.

RunDownHouse · #8 10-04-2005, 11:39 AM

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You would, but would an unknown? If we assume his PT stats are correct - a big assumption, but why did you even include them if we aren't? - then he's overaggressive and probably not a "thinking player."

As for why he'd peel with a T, I dunno. Because he's an idiot? Basically, I think MP is betting a pair or a draw here, and the pair he's betting is NOT an A, because we would have heard more from an A on the flop.

#9 10-04-2005, 11:57 AM

Lead the turn. You can safely fold to a raise, but by checking the turn you've given incentive to even passive players on either flush draw to bet and try and pick up the pot right there.